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Title: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on March 01, 2018, 01:35:39 AM
I contacted this business called hot foot moto they specialise in doing mainly dirt bike chain guides and manifolds for vintage bikes 70's 80's 90's. They've been around since like 03.

They was interested in reproducing swingarm chain sliders for street bikes but not manifolds something about street bikes running hotter n longer.

I don't have a spare I can send to them get copied.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on March 01, 2018, 09:57:06 AM
I don't have a spare sorry but I am interested in this as the 3XV one (3XV-22151-00) is NLA.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on March 01, 2018, 07:54:23 PM
I haven't checked but the one on the R and SP are the same?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on March 01, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
Yes, 3XV R, RS, SP and SPR share the same part. I just checked online but that shows R/RS/SPR only. I used the peachy new "manuals" link to check the SP (3XV7) parts book and it's the same #number.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: No.406 on March 02, 2018, 12:15:23 AM
They probably need a new, unused part to prototype off, eh?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on March 02, 2018, 01:05:03 AM
http://hotfootmoto.net/store/

This is the place I'm talking about they didn't actually say new just one in good shape.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on March 11, 2018, 10:05:23 AM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F222876853742
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: sprockets on March 25, 2018, 01:05:35 PM
Well, I tried to buy the one on Ebay but got there just too late.  Did anyone we know buy it?  Maybe going to offer it up as the sample?

 I don't have a spare but would happily offer mine as a sample if you guys think it good enough.  It is intact with just the usual wear on the chain guide.  I'll dig it out and post a couple of photo's.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on March 26, 2018, 04:14:05 AM
I sent them a pic of what it looks like and they said they could do it just need a good one to copy for a couple of months. They can do black any interest in other colors like maybe red or yellow?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: sprockets on March 26, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Let me find mine over the Easter Weekend and then post a pic and see from there.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on March 27, 2018, 04:23:05 PM
I've got a couple of used ones, but none are what I'd call in "good" shape.  All have wear where the chain slides on them.  Be happy to post you them if you can't source anything better.

I just swapped out the standard R swinger on my TZR for a RS/SP model with block adjusters, so I dug thru my spares to pick the best slider to use.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on March 27, 2018, 05:19:38 PM
I'm sure they could figure out how much to build back up chain usually just wears in one grove.

I would say since they are out of Michigan send the guide to them. Might be a good thing for them to hear from another interested buyer of the same part.  Send them an email.

hotfootmoto@live.com

I've just been saying it's for a tzr 250 3xv they reply pretty fast.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on March 27, 2018, 06:14:04 PM
I've emailed them...
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: ybk on March 27, 2018, 10:45:34 PM
For what it's worth, the lower guard that mounts on the frame is also NLA. If the swingarm guard is worn then this one will probably be as well. On my trackbike the previous owner let the chain chew through the swingarm guard into the bearing cups as well as into the frame itself where the lower one wore out.

This is where it mounts (this one is missing):

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Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on March 28, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
Response from HotFootMoto:

"Hi Jim,
We can make them. I would prefer to have an NOS original to copy. If we get a used one, it will cost approximately $400 to have the part repaired to look like new again. I'm guessing new sliders would be in the $50 to $60 range. "

I don't have a new one, and from the sounds of it, new ones are NLA?  Is that correct?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on March 28, 2018, 06:23:45 PM
So now we need a new one to use then to get copied I only have a used one.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: TZRtim on April 11, 2018, 07:12:42 PM
I just cheaked the 125R version as it looks identical , code was same bar the first 3 !   4FL-22151-00 but on fowlers it says back order ? But like many parts iv ordered , you get a email reply saying - sorry NLA  :( so probable still no joy
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on April 17, 2018, 10:34:30 PM
This is on my "R", don't have a reference version so don't know if its of any use as a template? Just a thought, although I will be needing it in a month or so hopefully. ::)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: ybk on April 18, 2018, 01:12:37 AM
The guard in question is actually the one in front of that one you pictured. It wears out first :)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on April 25, 2018, 02:09:56 PM
Hi Guys

The 125 4jb slider does not fit, i bought one to try just that. If we get one i will want some at least 3. Just been on Yahoo Japan and nothing on there.

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on May 16, 2018, 08:06:44 AM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F222980082024
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: ybk on May 16, 2018, 08:37:22 AM
^^was going to point out that even brand new they look worn. The curved bits in front are quite thin to start with.

Could be a 3d print candidate maybe? I'm sure you get filaments that are somewhat flexible so it can bend a bit after it's printed.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on May 16, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F222980082024

There you go, a new one.  They won't ship to me in the US.  Yan, are you local and able to buy this?  I'd be happy to pay for it, and provide it to SeaRick for duplication.  I'm watching a decent used one now on Yahoo Japan that I was bidding on for this reason
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on May 16, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
are we bidding against each other ???

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on May 16, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
OK, NOS one has been purchased.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on May 16, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
Let me know what I owe you Yan
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on May 16, 2018, 04:35:49 PM
Will do :)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on May 18, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
You guys found a nos one?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on May 18, 2018, 07:25:29 PM
Yep, will be on its way to Americaland in the next week.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on May 21, 2018, 06:48:08 PM
Ooooh you can almost smell the NLA NOS goodness......
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on May 24, 2018, 10:55:42 AM
Hi Gents;

Brilliant stuff man. You guys are 100% pure two stroke spirit!

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on May 24, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
Thanks Edd.

Jim has made a significant cash outlay to support this so hopefully everyone will understand that some/all of these "development costs" will have to be shared out across the replacement parts run. Thanks Jim :-)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on May 31, 2018, 01:04:55 PM
I agree fully. Just dont forget me when you order :D I am not as active as I used to be on the forum. I sometimes miss out on things ;D

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on August 27, 2018, 03:33:35 PM
NOS rubber chain slider / guide was delivered to the company for re-manufacture.  Could be a couple of months to make the molds and start reproducing them.  Will keep everyone posted.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on August 27, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
Thanks Jim :)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on August 31, 2018, 06:47:53 AM
Thank You Jim ;)

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: ybk on August 31, 2018, 07:59:16 AM
 (-P) (-P) thanks
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: bulldogboy on September 01, 2018, 12:30:08 AM
nice one fella, defo up for  2 or 3, of them , regardless of the cost,  (-P)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on September 03, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
(-P) (-P) thanks
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on October 11, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
Well, I heard back from Hot Foot Moto.  They have managed to reproduce the chain sliders without ruining the NOS item.   (-P)

I've asked about a group buy, but have not gotten much of a response from them.  Hoping that the more we bought, the better they would price them.  Me thinks they want to be the sole distributor?  Maybe one of you guys in Europe can bulk buy and distribute over there?  They indicated that they think they will price them around $45 to $50 USD.

They did ask what years and model bikes this chain slider will fit.  As I recall it's all years and models of the 3XV...am I right?  Anyone know that range off the top of their head?

They are returning my NOS one, with a free repro, so I should be good to go.  If I hear anything more, I'll share it here.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on October 11, 2018, 05:17:34 PM
Sweet I'll take two glad i recommended them i thought they could do it.

It's all years 3xv it fits now if we can get them to do the small one before it.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: bulldogboy on October 15, 2018, 07:45:50 PM
 (-P) thanks for your efforts guys I'll have 2 for sure keep us posted, I'm sure  they'll be popular!
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on October 17, 2018, 11:43:46 AM
That is good news ;D I will take 3 if at all possible. Do we buy from them or will you act as middle man for us? When should we be able to purchase these?

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: maccas on October 17, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
I'd be up for 2 of them also. Nice work!

Dan
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on October 17, 2018, 01:59:33 PM
Jim (jcsnook) is a way for a few days but I'm sure he will sort it out when he returns. If he is sorting we might want to do a bulk shipment to Europe, if it's cheaper. I'm happy to help out if needed.

Either way it's probably worth registering interest here (I want one BTW).
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on October 17, 2018, 07:45:49 PM
Put me down for 1 also please  (-P)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on October 28, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
Hi Guys, I'm back in town.  Has anyone contacted Hot Foot Moto to purchase a chain slider directly?  I've not contacted them about a bulk buy, and would prefer that someone else pick up the task.  I'm still sorting out a Wossner piston buy, so need to get busy with that.

If the guys in Europe need help with buying and shipping, I'm sure we can sort something out.  Let me know if I can help...

 
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on October 29, 2018, 12:53:54 PM
Hi

I have they will send me a paypal invoice.

Lets see what they charge?

Edd.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on October 29, 2018, 03:39:59 PM
They said they plan to have them on the web site in two weeks.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on October 29, 2018, 03:57:42 PM
Hi

They quoted me 49.95 dollars shipping free to South Africa. I did querry the shipping will see what they say.

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on October 29, 2018, 07:43:44 PM
It was like $29 $30 for me when i sent those seals to south Africa. That was the cheapest with tracking i could get it.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on October 30, 2018, 08:07:38 AM
Hi Guys;

I did send them a reply postage free to SA? They will probably change their tune today some time. I know postage from USA is crazy expensive.

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: Edd on October 31, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
Yip 16 dollars postage cheapest they can find 60 dollars courier  :o. well i will buy mine end of the month will let you know how it turns out. They also mentioned half the stuff they send to SA gets lost ;D Our postal system is a bit dicey :))

Edd
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on November 14, 2018, 10:42:04 PM
I just bought two shipping was free for me within country.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on November 14, 2018, 10:54:39 PM
Has anyone enquired about supplying to the UK via either a group or singular purchase yet?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: yanw on November 14, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
I received a sample today and they are good.

I'm happy to liaise with Jim of required to sort out UK/Europe if required.

If you are desperate let me know and I can lend you one.

@jim, I've sent you an email
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on November 14, 2018, 11:16:41 PM
I received a sample today and they are good.

I'm happy to liaise with Jim of required to sort out UK/Europe if required.

If you are desperate let me know and I can lend you one.

@jim, I've sent you an email

No desperate urgency from me, just wondered if it was still preferred to make a bulk buy to sort out UK/Europe.
Happy to sit tight for a while if need be.  (-P)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: jcsnook on November 20, 2018, 08:43:51 PM
Not sure what the status is, or the thoughts are, with the bulk buy.  I don't see a big savings in price on individual items, but yes, a savings on shipping to the UK/Europe is probably there to be had.

They charged me shipping SeaRick...not sure how you dodged that?  Good on you...lol.  They sold me one for $45 (Yan's), and charged me shipping for it.  Not sure what you paid SeaRick, maybe they build that into your price?

Regardless, as I'm still wrapped up in the Wossner order, perhaps SeaRick would want to coordinate a bulk purchase on these chain sliders here in the US, and ship them bulk to Yan?  I'm not sure when I'd be able to commit the time needed to it.

Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on November 20, 2018, 10:16:53 PM
No idea how i managed free shipping i bought two of them and was charged $90. I have yet to receive them at the moment.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: SeaR1ck on November 27, 2018, 07:49:59 AM
I got both of them in the mail today quality is good. They are hard plastic style similar to what the TM design brand you can get for dirt bikes. I've had a set of the TM design on my yz's for 11 years now and they are still going strong.

Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on November 30, 2018, 12:46:41 AM
I contacted Hot Foot Moto re supplying a batch to UK/Europe.
The response was...
"I would sell them for $40 each on a quantity 10 or more" but there was no mention of postage. I was previously quoted $49 for a single item.
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: bulldogboy on November 30, 2018, 01:20:40 AM
I was quoted $49.95 plus $16 postage, i then asked how much on 10/20/30 still awaiting reply so see if he mentions postage, if not ill ask him (-P)
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: bulldogboy on November 30, 2018, 11:20:58 PM
bloke got back to me and said the same, 40 bucks for amounts over 10, he can only confirm postage when he knows the size of the order, spose now the question is how big is the order?
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on November 30, 2018, 11:37:35 PM
No brainer, I definitely need 1 at the moment (see attached).
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: maccas on December 01, 2018, 12:16:41 AM
I'm 100% in for one.

Dan
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: bulldogboy on December 01, 2018, 02:30:43 AM
thump, I have a worn one if your desperate
Title: Re: Chain sliders / guides
Post by: thump566 on December 01, 2018, 11:41:47 AM
thump, I have a worn one if your desperate

Much appreciated for the offer but its ok can wait , project still in progress and not got to the mot / registration stage quite yet.
(ps Thump is historic from another bike, a 620 single cylinder 4 stroke, comes with regular swollen ankle from kickback  :'( )