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TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« on: December 30, 2019, 10:04:49 AM »
I have seen three or four copies of this manual on offer over the last few years for prices around ¥10,000 - a bit rich for me.
I was therefore pleased to get hold of one recently for the much more reasonable sum of ¥2,000. When it arrived, it looked as if it had never been opened.




Although the manual is undated, I infer that it was published late in 1986 or early in 1987. It combines the race kit manuals for TZR250, FZR400 and FZR400R models, as well showing the race kits and parts for these and some other contemporary models (including FZR250 and FZR750). Although the bulk of the TZR-related info appears to be identical to that in the dedicated TZR 1KT/2MA race kit manual, there are additional pictures and parts prices.
It may be of interest to 1KT model enthusiasts to see the range of race kit parts available and wonder how anyone managed to afford to buy them at the listed retail prices all those years ago!

The Formula 3 and Sport Production kits (I infer that the basic F3 engine kit shown here is the 1986 version - see text further on):


The basic F3 engine kit (1987 version? - see text further on):


Optional F3 and SP parts:


Some of the optional parts in more detail:



Prices and other details for kits and individual parts

SP kit - ¥98,000 (racing chamber set, rear sprockets, main jets)
F3 engine kit set - ¥299,000

Special F3 engine kit parts available individually:

F3 racing chamber assembly - ¥95,000
Spare silencer - ¥11,250 each
Piston - ¥5,000 each
Piston ring - ¥1,875 each
CDI magneto & ignition coil set - ¥119,000
Crankshaft assembly - ¥100,000
Jet needle set - ¥3,800 (2 pieces)
Needle jet set - ¥10,800 (6 pieces)

Main jets, pilot jets, front sprockets (13-15T), reinforced clutch springs, oil pump plug & kickstart plug were included in the engine kit, but were available individually as ‘normal’ Yamaha parts.


Optional special F3 kit parts:

F3 cylinder head - ¥24,000
F3 cylinder - ¥72,000 (pair?)
Large radiator set - ¥120,000
F3 transmission - ¥85,000 (certified by Motorcycle Federation of Japan)
New 1987 transmission - ¥140,000
YPVS control unit - ¥24,000
F3 wiring harness - ¥3,000
SP wiring harness - ¥3,700
Fork spring preload adjuster - ¥11,000 (pair?)
Pin for floating brake disc - ¥1,250 each
Aluminium clip-on handlebars - ¥16,000
Racing tachometer - ¥15,000
Rear-set foot rest assembly - ¥50,000
Spare foot peg - ¥4,500
TZ wheel collars, front & rear - ¥12,500
Water temperature sensor joint - ¥7,500
Water temperature gauge - ¥6,800
Oil catch tank - ¥6,500
Rear sprockets (39-44T) - ¥8,000 each
F3 fairing screen - ¥16,000
F3 upper fairing - ¥20,000
F3 lower fairing - ¥25,500
Meter stay - ¥18,000
Fairing stay set - ¥4,000
Seat unit - ¥35,000
Seat stay set - ¥7,000

The kit manual includes instructions for modifying standard cylinders and head in lieu of purchasing the special F3 items (which were presumably ready-modified standard items).
I’m not sure how the “new 1987 transmission” differed from the original/previous (1986?) F3 version – all of the details (gear tooth counts etc.) I have seen have been for the 1987 version.
I’m also not sure of the relevance of the original F3 transmission being certified by the MFJ, or why such certification wasn’t mentioned in relation to the new 1987 transmission – anyone know?
One thing is for sure; the new 1987 transmission was a lot more expensive than the original version!

The pictures show three different racing chamber sets; One set for the SP class and two different sets for the F3 class – I infer that the photos of the F3 engine kits show both the 1986 and 1987 versions.

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James

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2019, 10:48:15 AM »
For anyone interested in the FZR400 race kits shown in the manual, see here: http://diffrentstrokers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2512

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 01:11:37 AM »
Good stuff James. Thanks for sharing. I have wanted a look in that book for years.
If you thought the kit prices were high back then, they can be very high now. Seen the radiator for $AU2000 ?
F3 cylinders and head were very nicely modified standard items.

I am still looking for the top fairing stay and the stator coils.
TZR250 2XT, IKT F3, TDR250, R1-Z

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2020, 06:10:16 AM »

The kit manual includes instructions for modifying standard cylinders and head in lieu of purchasing the special F3 items (which were presumably ready-modified standard items).
I’m not sure how the “new 1987 transmission” differed from the original/previous (1986?) F3 version – all of the details (gear tooth counts etc.) I have seen have been for the 1987 version.
I’m also not sure of the relevance of the original F3 transmission being certified by the MFJ, or why such certification wasn’t mentioned in relation to the new 1987 transmission – anyone know?
One thing is for sure; the new 1987 transmission was a lot more expensive than the original version!

The pictures show three different racing chamber sets; One set for the SP class and two different sets for the F3 class – I infer that the photos of the F3 engine kits show both the 1986 and 1987 versions.

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James
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Hi James,
would you be able to post a copy of the instructions for modifying standard cylinders?
I have a soft copy of a kit manual but it does not include this part :-(

Cheers
Mike

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2020, 03:48:42 AM »
If you thought the kit prices were high back then, they can be very high now.

Yes, they don't really get any cheaper do they? Especially not now they are 'collectable'...


...would you be able to post a copy of the instructions for modifying standard cylinders?
I have a soft copy of a kit manual but it does not include this part :-(

Cheers
Mike

Mike; Do you mean the cylinder modification pages have been taken out of your printed manual, or have you got a version of the manual which never included this info?
Whatever the case, the 1987 F3 kit manual (in English, including the cylinder and head modification instructions) was previously available via the Resources section, but I can't seem to find it now. Give me a few days and I will either scan the cylinder modification pages or just put the entire 1987 kit manual on GoogleDrive - watch this space!


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James

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2020, 06:49:33 AM »
If you thought the kit prices were high back then, they can be very high now.

Yes, they don't really get any cheaper do they? Especially not now they are 'collectable'...


...would you be able to post a copy of the instructions for modifying standard cylinders?
I have a soft copy of a kit manual but it does not include this part :-(

Cheers
Mike

Mike; Do you mean the cylinder modification pages have been taken out of your printed manual, or have you got a version of the manual which never included this info?
Whatever the case, the 1987 F3 kit manual (in English, including the cylinder and head modification instructions) was previously available via the Resources section, but I can't seem to find it now. Give me a few days and I will either scan the cylinder modification pages or just put the entire 1987 kit manual on GoogleDrive - watch this space!


Regards,
James

The full copy would be great :-)
I have a scanned version which seems not to have the cylinder modification pages, means I also don't know what else is missing ;-)
Cheers
Mike

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 03:11:10 PM »
For everyone's info; Karel has reinstated the 1KT/2MA English race kit manual in the 'Red & Blue downloads' (accessible via the Resources section) and has also added the 2XT Japanese race kit manual. Quick links here:

1KT/2MA - http://pure2strokespirit.net/redandblueftp/download/1KT/TZR250-1KT-2MA-1987-race-kit-manual-eng.pdf
2XT - http://pure2strokespirit.net/redandblueftp/download/2XT/TZR250-2XT-1988-race-kit-manual-jp.pdf

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2020, 01:34:51 AM »
Thanks James for getting that organized
Cheers
Mike

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Re: TZR250-FZR400 race kit manual - TZR SP and F3 kit parts prices
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2020, 09:49:46 PM »
Good work James,

Now I have some idea of what my f3 pipes, crank and ignition are worth  ;D

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