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Posted: Sep. 20 2007,11:43 QUOTE

I have been talking (emailing) to Borut from Zeeltronic.com. Take a look at his website - he makes replacement fully adjustable ignitions and powervalve controllers for 2 stokes. I have one of his systems on an RG500 and it seems to work well.

I have asked him about making an adjustable CDI for the 3xv. He would need the loan of a standard CDI to do some electonics testing etc. Has anyone got a spare one they would be willing to loan ?
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Posted: Sep. 21 2007,00:30 QUOTE

I've got 2 standard CDI sitting in a box he's welcome to loan one.

PM me his details so I can communicate directly with him.

Jools


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Posted: June 21 2008,17:02 QUOTE

How did you go with this project ? Are they available &how much ?
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Posted: June 22 2008,05:14 QUOTE

He has developed something but not sure if anyone is using them. I went across to using Sugo or TZ CDI's.

google 'Zeeltronic'


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Posted: June 22 2008,08:47 QUOTE

The last time i have looked he only has a cdi for the 3ma
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Posted: June 22 2008,11:14 QUOTE

Quote (jools @ June 22 2008,04:14)
He has developed something but not sure if anyone is using them. I went across to using Sugo or TZ CDI's.

google 'Zeeltronic'


http://www.zeeltronic.com/page/home.php
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Posted: June 22 2008,22:33 QUOTE

I have been emailing Borut at Zeeltronic recently - he has lots of techy questions that I do not know the answers to.

He would really appreciate a stock CDI to test for function etc.

You can contact him through his website if you can help or the email address below.

borut@zeeltronic.com
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Posted: June 22 2008,23:17 QUOTE

James at Krazy Katt engineering http://www.krazy-katt.com/2-strokes.htm has something for the 3XV that looks to work pretty well. He was developing it on a stock R motor last I saw (the Sugo units don't work with the R porting, we at least were able to establish that), but I'd like to see what it could do matched with some SP spec cylinders and some good pipes myself. It could be the answer for those not able to get hold of a Sugo unit. In fact it's programmability could perhaps make it a better option than the sugo unit in any case??? That would be good

We spoke a while back about me taking the track bike over there for a play, so I'll get back to him and if he's still up for it, I may be able to run it over this summer. If I take out a second mortgage for the diesel to get me there in any case :D.  It'd be really interesting to see if it can improve on the Sugo unit though...


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Posted: June 23 2008,01:48 QUOTE

Quote (Classicjap @ June 22 2008,21:33)
I have been emailing Borut at Zeeltronic recently - he has lots of techy questions that I do not know the answers to.

He would really appreciate a stock CDI to test for function etc.

You can contact him through his website if you can help or the email address below.

borut@zeeltronic.com

I can't believe that !

I offered him one but he said he didn't need it......


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Posted: June 23 2008,13:53 QUOTE

Ok I think we really need to start looking at alternatives to Sugo. I have been in japan 2.5 months & seen 3 only, 2x70 &  1for SPR . I checked out max power none in stock, minium order 1000. So if anyone can develop one, there will be a market not huge but. I read Krazy Kat"s stuff it sounds VERY interesting to me, I don"t know how he is funding his development but I"m sure he would appreciate a few sales to re-coup.  I"ll take 2.
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Posted: June 23 2008,18:18 QUOTE

From time to time you get them on okshon
that is how i got my 3xv 9A cdi
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Posted: June 24 2008,05:09 QUOTE

Quote (peterjanebike @ June 23 2008,12:53)
Ok I think we really need to start looking at alternatives to Sugo. I have been in japan 2.5 months & seen 3 only, 2x70 &  1for SPR . I checked out max power none in stock, minium order 1000. So if anyone can develop one, there will be a market not huge but. I read Krazy Kat"s stuff it sounds VERY interesting to me, I don"t know how he is funding his development but I"m sure he would appreciate a few sales to re-coup.  I"ll take 2.

There is a TZ250 4dp-20 advertised here for US$150

http://www.tz250racing.com/cgi-bin....;t=5951
Much cheaper than a sugo !!

That will help you out but make sure you check your timing on the fixed TZR pickups with a dial gauge.
You will also have to disconnect and block the air solenoids off the carbs as the TZ ignition won't operate them - it uses part of the same wiring for the Powerjet carbs.


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Posted: June 24 2008,11:37 QUOTE

Far from exhaustive, but my own experiements with a TZ unit (4DP-10) suggested that they don't seem to work as well with the drum type 3XV PV motor. I suspect this may be due to a mismatch in exhaust area and timing due to the TZ units being designed for a guilotine PV setup, which leaves the auxiliaries open at all times, rather the the sugo unit which is designed with the drum type set-up in mind, which operates on all three exhaust ports. My set up gave an oddly peaky and inconsistent top end with the 4DP box, rather than the smooth top end of the power curve that the sugo unit gives. Power is good though - but as Jools says watch out for detonation if pursuing this route (some global retard on the pick-ups - or the woodruff key even might be an idea?) - at least initially (on a straight swap between sugo -80 and a 4DP-10 I melted a piston very quickly. Might have been a touch borderline on the carburation though of course...) Might have been possible to improve the setup using the TZ unit of course,  but as I had the Sugo unit to hand I didn't pursue it further. I acan confirm that teh 4DP-10 box works very well with a 3YL top end set-up though (and would logically work well (probably better) with the 4DP cyls it was designed for).

Interestingly, when I ran the 28mm carbs with the Sugo box (does the same thing as the TZ box re: air compensator/powerjet wiring) I left the air compensators wired and plumbed in without any problem and got very good power really. I suspect that wired this way the air compensators were simply being operated at 11,500 or so - where the signal would go to the powerjet if using the leccy powerjet carbs - thus opening up additional air jets and effectively leaning off the mix a touch at the top end? Kind of like the leccy powerjets do, but rather less so :D. Either way, it was no problem in operation and I used it like this last year - including track days. If you were to remove the air jet wiring and plumbing you'd probably need to blank off the actual holes in the needle jet nozzles themselves, otherwise I suspect - though this is purely speculation as I haven't tried it - the nozzles and carb 'tubing' would fill with fuel and lead to rich and 'spitty' conditions on part throttle perhaps? Something to keep an eye on if going this route in any case I think.

Personally I reckon the Sugo ignitions are far better/easier for the job on the drum type PV motors. Logically you would expect the TZ units to be better suited to the guillotine PV '93 and '94 motors, so they may well be a good alternative option if you are running one of those? With the drum PV type motor though, I'd personally try to find a sugo unit as it would make life simpler - once you've got hold of one. Though if James' gizmo can do the job as an add-on to the stock Cdi though, that may be the best option of all?

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Posted: June 25 2008,22:27 QUOTE

Amen......... :D

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Posted: June 25 2008,23:34 QUOTE

Yeah, I know... I do bang on a bit, don't I? I keep making little resolutions to post less. And less often, for fear of turning into the worlds biggest 3XV bore. :D. My long, rambling posts must really get up some people's noses.  

I'll give it another go.


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Posted: June 26 2008,09:11 QUOTE

Give the guy a break Jools, he has been working very hard lately  ,but apart from that he answered my question/s.  I have decided to sit back & observe a little more, there is a lot of catch reading to be done from day1 on this forum. Am nearly half way thru it now, with pages of notes for reference back to forum in future. Last nite I won the bidding on a pair of Jackals for $190 aus. very happy at the moment !   (Sorry Martin)  But if James can come up with what he is searching for I will still take at least one. :D
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Posted: June 26 2008,09:34 QUOTE

Just a bit of light banter............;)

Warwick is THE mine of information when it comes to 3XV's - but he likes to remind us and being a lecturer his command of the written word is without equal.........:laugh:


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Posted: June 26 2008,11:08 QUOTE

Lol. No offence taken Jools. I am fully aware of my sickness :D.  Believe me though, the extensive posts are often more some weird sense of duty than any real pleasure - though it is rewarding in a way to be able to help folks out where you can. And, yes, I suppose being a teacher does mean that that kind kind of thing is second nature in some ways - if pretty time consuming. Which is why there are often left with the full range of interesting typo's intact :laugh:

I suppose it all stems form that fact that when I first got a 3XV (in the late nineties) there was nothing at all like this forum (or Alex's excellent resource site) available, and getting hold of any kind of info was unbelievably difficult - just who would you ask? It took me two years or so to get hold of a proper battery for example. Everyday set-up info and data was similarly unavailable. There were no .pdf manuals or parts books to download - you had to try to get a paper copy from Japan. which was bloody hard work before OkShon etc., I can tell you! (we all really owe Alex a massive debt of thanks for making all those documents avaialable I reckon)

And as for any any info on unleashing full power? Forget it. That was quite simply unobtainable. No-one knew anything... Or if they did, they would jealously guard their knowledge and simply wouldn't share what they knew.

Without wanting to sound like my granddad :D, more recent 3XV owners really 'don't know how fortunate they are' that a few of us have put in the time, effort and ££££'s over the years to work much of this stuff out - and, just as importantly, are happy to pass on that knowledge and experience gained freely to others.

In many ways it's only really internet forums and websites like this and Alex's site etc. that keep these old strokers alive, but, as I said, I'll take a bit of a break from the long posts and concentrate on my own bikes for a bit. Thay all need some work really, so will benefit from a bit of extra time. And the weather's good here at the moment too, so I ought to be making more of it really :).

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Posted: June 26 2008,13:52 QUOTE

I was just joking Jools, sorry you cant see my face  :D
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Posted: June 26 2008,18:24 QUOTE

Quote (Warwickb @ June 26 2008,10:08)
Lol. No offence taken Jools. I am fully aware of my sickness :D.  Believe me though, the extensive posts are often more some weird sense of duty than any real pleasure - though it is rewarding in a way to be able to help folks out where you can. And, yes, I suppose being a teacher does mean that that kind kind of thing is second nature in some ways - if pretty time consuming. Which is why there are often left with the full range of interesting typo's intact :laugh:

I suppose it all stems form that fact that when I first got a 3XV (in the late nineties) there was nothing at all like this forum (or Alex's excellent resource site) available, and getting hold of any kind of info was unbelievably difficult - just who would you ask? It took me two years or so to get hold of a proper battery for example. Everyday set-up info and data was similarly unavailable. There were no .pdf manuals or parts books to download - you had to try to get a paper copy from Japan. which was bloody hard work before OkShon etc., I can tell you! (we all really owe Alex a massive debt of thanks for making all those documents avaialable I reckon)

And as for any any info on unleashing full power? Forget it. That was quite simply unobtainable. No-one knew anything... Or if they did, they would jealously guard their knowledge and simply wouldn't share what they knew.

Without wanting to sound like my granddad :D, more recent 3XV owners really 'don't know how fortunate they are' that a few of us have put in the time, effort and ££££'s over the years to work much of this stuff out - and, just as importantly, are happy to pass on that knowledge and experience gained freely to others.

In many ways it's only really internet forums and websites like this and Alex's site etc. that keep these old strokers alive, but, as I said, I'll take a bit of a break from the long posts and concentrate on my own bikes for a bit. Thay all need some work really, so will benefit from a bit of extra time. And the weather's good here at the moment too, so I ought to be making more of it really :).

Cheers

Mr. B

true.  I remember googling information for 3xv is almost impossible couple years ago!  There are couple of time I was thinking of giving up the TZR and go with NSR because of the support and information around.  Warwickb, I vote for you to keep posting.  Better yet, you should take break from maintaining your own bike and concentrate on posting here!  :D
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Posted: June 26 2008,22:15 QUOTE

Don't put your pen down just yet Wazza, I recognise that its guys like yourself that unselfishly impart all their grey matter to make this site what it is. Even I was a greenhorn not too long ago and I owe you and the rest of the guys that posted here for steering me in the right direction, and saved everyone countless time and money by not having to 'go where no round eye has gone before'
I tip my hat to you and those others that are too numerous to mention, but you know who you are  :;):
Keep up the good work and treat this gobby ex-pat with the contempt he deserves  :laugh:


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Posted: June 27 2008,04:49 QUOTE

Hear hear, I agree. Perhaps same could apply to gbowie, cyclenut & andy bush, although on second thoughts where would I get the development info ? So nose back to the grindstone guys ! :D
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