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Posted: July 09 2006,21:35 QUOTE

Quote (Warwick @ July 08 2006,16:00)
3XV's are fine, it's 3MA's that seize all the time...

Oh really ?  So which bike do you see on the back of the AA truck then ?  :D  :D  :D



Talk about 'kiss of death' - ha ha !

Seriously though, it was good to meet you at last and anyone who didn't go to Ashbourne missed a great event.


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Posted: July 09 2006,23:39 QUOTE

Good job he won that cylinder on ebay, then. :p

If it has dropped a cylinder, I'd put a fiver on it being a ring pin failure. (not really a 'seizure' in the technical sense) If it was a ring pin don't let him make the mistake of only rebuilding the one that went. If he doesn't replace the piston and rings in the other one at the same time, I'd put another tenner on that one going within the year.

I rebuild the top end as a matter of course now when I buy one. Because they're imports, owners often put off top end rebuilds thinking the parts will be hard to get or maybe it's the relatively high price of the parts? Whatever I reckon replacement at 5000 miles is better than trashing a cylinder and head when the pin goes.  

Tip: When replacing the piston and rings in a good cylinder leave the head attached when removing the cylinder. This saves the cost of the head gasket on that side).

Good to meet you both. Sorry the return jopuney wasn't so good :(

Rgds

Warwick


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Posted: July 10 2006,10:16 QUOTE

From the horse's mouth...
When I bought it there was a mis-fire, later diagnosed as a piece of missing piston ring, part of the crown also missing, and a very battered head.  I cleaned up the cylinder, had the head re-shaped and skimmed, fitted a new piston, rings, gudgeon pin and clips and it was as right as rain. It's done about 400 miles since the rebuild.  It still had that odd vibration above 90 (on private roads), thought to be wheel balance.
It dropped on to one cylinder as we joined the M1, but it's done that before and cleared. As we approaced the M18 exit, it lost power, I dipped the clutch, and it was still running so I let it out again.  It seized solid and locked the back wheel.
I pulled it apart last night. It's the re-built side that's failed. Not the piston, and not a broken ring, but the big end bearing. The cases are full of broken bits of roller cage and "metal flakes", well now we know what the vibration was. It has of course blown some of the bits through the transfer ports, and had a good go at the piston, bore and the power valve. My re-faced head will need doing again aswell.
So that's a winter job then.
Does this mean Warwick owes me a fiver...? I could do with the cas towards the cost of a crank re-build.
It was a good day though, apart from that.
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Posted: July 10 2006,12:20 QUOTE

Erm, well... In view of the probability that the initial big end damage (and source of vibration which preceeded the seizure) was caused by the original piston damage - which shows all the hallmarks of a ring pin failure, I would argue that my wallet should remain unmolested for the time being :D

Sorry to hear it was big one. On the bright side you will have a completely refreshed motor when it's done.

Keep us updated with the progress. And don't let it put you off. I covered close to 600 miles over the weekend (most of it fully loaded with camping kit etc.) and the trusty 3XV never missed a beat.

Rgds

Wb


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Posted: July 11 2006,17:56 QUOTE

I can vouch for the 3VXs reliability also, i've been to the TT twice on mine travelling from the NE of Scotland, 65 miles north of Edinburgh to Heysham, plus the miles on the island. Probably an easy 1000 - 1200 miles over the week.

And I don't treat the poor girl with the care she probably deserves - I'm a bit of a 'if it ain't broke' type - I've done around 20 - 25,000km on mine in the 9 years I've owned it, maybe more (bloody speedo cables), and have only replaced the rings once (no pins!!!! - didn't know any better at the time).

I'm just hoping this post isn't the kiss of death!!! :(
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Posted: July 11 2006,23:48 QUOTE

That's quite some record Grumpy. I've long thought that strokers work best when regularly thrashed.

In view of what it hasn't cost you over the years tho' I think the least you could do is treat it to a top end job. Or is it true that you Scots are even tighter than us Yorkies? :p

Got any pic's? I'd like to have a look at the trusty steed.

Rgds

Wb


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Posted: July 12 2006,20:54 QUOTE

Bet the bottom end looked like this...  I've Been There !!!


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Posted: July 13 2006,22:09 QUOTE

Quote (Warwickb @ July 11 2006,22:48)
That's quite some record Grumpy. I've long thought that strokers work best when regularly thrashed.

In view of what it hasn't cost you over the years tho' I think the least you could do is treat it to a top end job. Or is it true that you Scots are even tighter than us Yorkies? :p

Got any pic's? I'd like to have a look at the trusty steed.

Rgds

Wb

I don't have any recent pics, I've crashed the bike so many times it's rarely been in a fit state. I've been meaning to since the last rebuild so will try and get some taken over the weekend!
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Posted: July 19 2006,10:13 QUOTE

I haven't actually seen what the inside of crankcases looks like on my bike yet, the engine's still in the frame so it's kind of difficult to see inside the left cylinder...  But the pieces of cage and roller I pulled out when I took the barrel and head off look exactly like the bits in yours.
I don't have the time or space to pull it all down now.  I've piled all of the bits under the tank, put the fairing back on, and put it back in the garage.  It looks like a TZR, and can be wheeled round the garage, but that's it.
I've just noticed there's another dead 3XV crank, big end failue, on eBay in the USA.
Seems they're the same the world over, I'll fix it, one day.
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Posted: July 19 2006,10:35 QUOTE

I've had my spare crank checked by the guy who is porting the motor. This motor had a blown piston with a crankcase full of alloy. I cleaned it up and sent it with the rest of the motor for tuning. Apparently its ok and within spec so it may not be the end of the world. I won't be using it though as I have a couple of SP cranks to rebuild & use. The STd one won't last 5 mins in the TZ spec motor from all accounts.
You will have to strip & flush though. Maybe i was lucky....


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Posted: July 19 2006,20:07 QUOTE

Have spoken to a few guys who have modded and raced 3XV's in the past, and it appears that the " R "
can't handle more than 55 HP. (rule of thumb)


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Posted: July 19 2006,20:09 QUOTE

" R " Crank that is.
Should read the stuff before I send it.:angry:


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Posted: July 20 2006,00:51 QUOTE

The R crank sounds like quite a sissy. :)
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Posted: July 20 2006,02:44 QUOTE

Its fine for what its designed for, just not strong enough for any serious mods, as Geoff said and has the proof.

Geoff ,
grateful for the photos and warnings. Your experiences will save us all much heartache and cash - until we push the boundaries a little too far that is  :p


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