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jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: June 17 2007,09:08 I have been planning this for some time. The idea was to fit the 4DP stator & rotor assembly to the 3XV. It all sounded simple enough until I removed the 3XV gear and offered up the TZ stator. Of course it was too much to expect it would bolt straight in & some further machining of the crankcases is required for the stator to fit. The original stator fits over a lip in the crankcase and is retained by 3 cap head M5 screws. This lip will need machining away to provide a flat mounting surface The pickups are fixed to the cases by 4 M4 screws. The TZ stator is fitted to a backplate. This is mounted to the crankcase at two adjustable slots for adjustment. The positions on the 3XV cases are blanked off so will need drilling and blind tapping. Tricky without a set of TZ cases to measure up the drilling depth. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 19 2009,21:34 I know this post is acient but did this work jools ? I was thinking of this the other day. I think i think too much.... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:54 Yes it works BUT there is no going back to the TZR stator as I found out when I had a faulty TZ stator.................. Still it was running ok up to 7000 when the coil broke down. I have since fitted a spare and have yet to run it. This the (faulty) stator as a 'dry' fit. Note it is also necessary to remachine the taper in the TZ rotor to fit the TZR crank - alternatively you could probably fit a TZ crank end if you had an SP crank. You also need to trim a bit off the back plate where it fouls the TZR blance shaft - or fit the entire TZ balance shaft set up. The wiring connectors don't match either so it neds a little fettling in that respect plus the rectifier is different - you need the TZ item.................is it worth it ?? I'll let you know one day when I get there............... -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 20 2009,00:28 On the subject of ignition, will moving the two stock system ignition pick-ups closer / farther away from the timing rotor triggers make any difference to the strength of the electrical pulse generated ??  ( I'm no electrical expert, it's all black magic to this "spanner-man" ).   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 20 2009,19:28 Ah.. ok... I'll leave you to it ! Post an update if you get anywhere with it. I know this is wacky but... would it be possible.. do you think to use an ignition from another v twin !?! Maybe a more tunable and less resricted (electrically wise) bike ? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 20 2009,23:29 The stock boxes are not really that restricted in all honesty. With a -00 box, SP porting and decent pipes, you'll see mid to high 50s, which is the same as an RGV, Priller RS etc. The Sugo boxes can give you more at the top end, but simple SP porting and pipes on an early R model should see you on at least an equal footing with the 'unrestricted' 250's. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 21 2009,19:39 Quote (Warwickb @ Jan. 20 2009,21:29) The stock boxes are not really that restricted in all honesty. With a -00 box, SP porting and decent pipes, you'll see mid to high 50s, which is the same as an RGV, Priller RS etc. The Sugo boxes can give you more at the top end, but simple SP porting and pipes on an early R model should see you on at least an equal footing with the 'unrestricted' 250's. Ive seen a few sugo cdi's for sale in japan. They go straight into all wiring loom's dont they ? Im a bit nervous of buying anything electrical from that far away. Might just have to go for it and hope i get a good'n. Ive got  -00 and -40 cdi's, unsure if either of them work yet ! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 21 2009,20:43 Yes, they are effectively plug and play with the stock loom, but if you want to run the larger SP electronic powerjet carbs with them (and actually want to make use of the electronic powerjet shut off function) you will need to patch the PJ's into the loom. You should be able to make very good power without the PJ's patched in though (patching them in just means that they shut off the PJs at around 11500rpm - the idea being to extend the over-rev by leaning it off after peak), so unless you are racing and need every fraction of a hp and every rpm of over-rev you may not even bother. I've never got round to patching them in so far on my track 3XV and the bike is certainly faster than I am .   I've had 2 sugo units from Japan. No problem with either. I've never known a stock or sugo box fail either - so they certainly seem pretty robust . -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 21 2009,20:59 I will go for it then. Once i get the engine running that is   When you say "patch in", do you mean in existing wiring ? Just thinking that while the wiring loom is out of the bike i could maybe add come connector's ? At least this could be a job i could do in the warm !! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 21 2009,22:08 Quote (essarjayauto @ Jan. 21 2009,18:59) When you say "patch in", do you mean in existing wiring ? Yes. Jools may be more help here as he has actually done it I think? As noted, I've never got round to doing it myself. Basically though you are looking at modding the existing air compensator wiring so that it activates the electronic powerjets instead. Though unless you have some SP powerjet carbs (or PJ TZ carbs) to use there is no point of course as the stock 28mm R carbs don't have electronically controlled PJs -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 22 2009,19:58 i might have some sp goddie's coming my way so i'll see if they have the carb's. I'll wait to see if jool's can shed some light on the subject. Would i have to modify or change the airbox's to fit sp carb's do you know ? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 23 2009,00:09 You'll need the SP inlet rubbers as you won't get SP carbs in the R rubbers. And, if you want to keep the airboxes, you'll need SPR airbox to carb rubbers too. The SP upper airbox lid has a larger intake than the R one, but you may well end up drilling the box in any case so may not need it? Ideally though you also want the Sugo carb kit too if you are aiming for full power, but you may be able to improvise well enough by modifying the stock stuff. That's all a way down the line though so I wouldn't worry about it for now... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 23 2009,19:32 It's just good to know what to look out for incase any little jem's pop up in the future ! I scan the net almost very day looking for bit's and peice's for my little project's, and the amount of bit's ive missed out on by not knowing at the time. That's why i get informed first, make a "wish list" and then go hunting   Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 26 2009,02:44 Sorry for delay just got back from Phillip Island swinging the spanners for the Poms in the international challenge..........awesome weekend and what a turnout of bikes they bought with them. I am now reasonably confident with Mk5 (Stan Woods) and Mk7 (Dave Humphrey) RG500's as well as Geoff McMullans Spondon 350 that he beat Robbie Phillis with in the final 350 race on Sunday. Back to the subject in question - I do have a complete SP airbox spare.................... -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 26 2009,17:51 Hey Jools, you're a lucky sod getting to twirl spanners on the bikes you mention. How did you wangle that !!??     What a fantastic collection of racing bikes, especially the strokers, what a sound that must have been !!         -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,22:48 Yeah, like winning the lottery............... Still havn't washed my T shirts - minging of Castrol 747 I was lucky the team captain was in our club and asked for volunteers. My LC wasn't ready and I was going down there so it made sense. I will now be going to Spa in June for the bikers classic where I may get to ride the Mk7 RG full floater. The owner has a works 96 YZR500 but he says I can't ride that    I also get to check out a Maxton 350, also in Belgium, that I have been negotiating........ So looks like a visit to the motherland is on the cards. Will head down to Plymouth visiting so may get to catch up with Wazza....... -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,23:07 Trying to work out if there's any of them that I wouldn't trade me granny in for! A real treasure trove there and no mistake! Be great to catch up if/when you come over Jools, so keep us informed of possible movements. Time it right and you could even check out mine and Martin's new top secret project bike...   .  Time it even righter and we could fit in a trackday perhaps? You could try my shonky tracker 3XV, and sample the delights of the funky reverse cylinder! And maybe even Martins NSR-D350... Might not be up to the standards of the ol' works suzook, but both certainly have their charms. See what you can work out, eh?   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,23:47 Quote (Warwickb @ Jan. 27 2009,21:07) And maybe even Martin's NSR-D350... Great...now you're offering others a free ride on my bike....  you'll be pimping your own granny next. Oh, you've already thought about that... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,00:01 -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,07:27 And I WILL be bringing my leathers and stuff with me....................................   -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,21:23 Sounds like a done deal to me, then. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:54 Jools, that's a great pictorial for the tz ignition mod.....one i'm just about to undertake...so cheers as for the spa bikers classic.....i am planning on making the trip over myself......see you at the bar ! Andy Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,00:34 Andy Good luck with the mod. If I did it again I would probably see if I could swap the TZR crank end for a TZ one on the Ign side which should simplify set and finishing -  but balance might be an issue.......??? I'll look out for you at Spa. If I get to ride one of the expected bikes you will spot me easily - I will have a smile wider than P*ris H*ltons chuff !! Idea - why not get a posse of forum riders to make the jaunt, imagine a gaggle of 3XV's turning up !!! -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,01:04 sounds like a dream ride ........i look out for that smile !! i was going to use a tz crank with an sp primary side web, save on having the taper machined. 3xv road trip........now there's a thought ! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,14:28 A 3XV makes a surprisingly capable tourer really... Here I am about to set off from a mate's place on a 200 mile run up to the Ashbourne rally in Derbyshire a couple of years ago. The blue bag mounted shotgun are my tent poles (tent is on the tank - under my route map - and the rucksack has sleeping bag and all the other camping etceteras). Bike never missed a beat despite only being put together in the couple of weeks before that. Rain started a couple of miles into the run - and didn't stop the whole way! Rained most of the way home a couple of days later too...  Ah, happy days. Don't think I could do the Spa thing though as it's probably term-time so I wouldnt be able to get the time off. But just out of curiosity, er, what are the dates... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,21:24 June 19th -21st, damn close to end of term I reckon !! -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

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