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jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 15 2006,23:33 I'm a bit miffed !! I had the highest bid for a couple of SP cranks that went the full duration. No reserve. But I din't win them ?? How can that be ?? Maybe the Japs are not so 'honourable' after all   i did win a pile of stuff including casings, dry clutch, short ratio gearbox etc which softens the blow a bit but I really needed those cranks. jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: July 15 2006,23:42 How can that be? If you had the highest bid and there was no reserve, the parts are yours, surely? Was this through OKshon? Maybe mail them to 'express your displeasure' and ask for an explanation? Let us know what they say if you do, OK? Rgds Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 16 2006,06:31 Warwick, yeah I voiced my 'displeasure' to put it mildly, but I'm waiting to hear back. The first shipment of stuff arrived by courier today, Sunday, unheard of in OZ !! Whereas both sets of carbs (TM36's)are in good condition, for some reason neither of them have any throttle slides !! not easy to see in the photos - caveat emptor as Erin would say. Also one set appears to have been bored out Question about the powerjets - when you remove the operating solenoid there is a small screw in jet. The carb that I checked this on had a jet with no drilling and no marking ??!! This suggests that they were not operational ?? check out the images, you can see the ovality of the carb bores, this seems odd - like a smooth bore job. Jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 16 2006,21:15 Un Miffed seems they have sorted the cockup out with the SP cranks. Now I just gotta pay for them ! I also just checked the pics of the carbs on Okshon and guess what - neither show any slides in place oops!! Although the translation service didn't mention missing parts. All in all I reckon the okshon service is slow but  as good as ebay. A bit pricey but if you wan't something bad.........how much are you willing to pay ?? AND I should have asked the question whether the carbs were complete. They are looking into it for me, which is helpful. Jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: July 16 2006,23:11 And so all was well with the world again... Good that it's worked out. I can't offer any clarification on the powerjets, sadly as my SP carbs are missing the actual powerjet mechanisms for the time being. Planning on replacing them when the R/SP hybrid motor finally takes shape. Still need an SP crank before I can get the cases together so am waiting to hear how you fare with the OKshon ones as i may have to go that route too. Cheers Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

cyclenut Unregistered Posted: July 17 2006,02:04 Quote (jools @ July 16 2006,05:31) Question about the powerjets - when you remove the operating solenoid there is a small screw in jet. The carb that I checked this on had a jet with no drilling and no marking ??!! Jools - sounds like they are disabled or blocked off.   I accomplished the same thing by putting a small bb in the rubber hose.  You can run them like this and miss a little ZING on the top end.   But if you want the full potential, you'll need to jet the powerjet circuit too.   Keep in mind that the main jet and this power jet will now both be working until the powerjet circuit closes off (10,000 rpm???), so you'll have to reduce the main jet accordingly. Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 17 2006,02:50 Thanks Erin it seemed very odd to have all the power jets attached and piped up but with a solid jet. I'll see what is in the other set I got. I might try and see if the throttle slides from those 34mm carbs fit. What are your thoughts on the oval carb venturies in the pictures? there are visible machining marks. Jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

cyclenut Unregistered Posted: July 17 2006,03:19 Quote (jools @ July 17 2006,01:50) Thanks Erin What are your thoughts on the oval carb venturies in the pictures? there are visible machining marks. Jools A common carb performance modification is to open them up about 1.0 to 1.5 mm.   If done correctly, it works.  The machining should have been done to remove the material from the top of the opening.  They should have just barely touchedthe lower part where the emulsion tube, brass fittings, etc. mount. Good luck! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: July 17 2006,11:39 Yup. They've definitely been modded, Jools. Stock, they are perfectly round - just like the 28s. As Erin says tho', this could be good news if they have been done right. If they've been modded like that I qouldn't be surprised if they also have the Sugo needle jets etc. in there too. The 36mm Sugo recommended jetting details are noted on Mr. 2stroke's site: http://www.mr2stroke.8m.com/photo3.html , but I can't confirm if this stuff is 100% accurate. Rgds Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 18 2006,03:09 Glad you got your stuff  My ns400 engine and some nsr stuff that i bought havent arrive yet(7 months now). I sent them couples of email and no reply   -------------- Niño Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 18 2006,05:41 Complete engines are classed as dangerous goods in Japan for some reason. I'm not sure they can ship them overseas. Several months is a long time even by sea !! i would be sending some pretty nasty communications demanding my money back. There is no doubt they are slow to despatch and I kept on sending them snotty emails to keep them on their toes. They have moved warehouse recently and had a computer crash. email them with your username and the item reference numbers you are waiting for and insist they give you an answer. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 18 2006,05:54 Yeah one guy on rgv250 forum waiting for his VJ23 engine. I'll give them till the eom and see what will happen -------------- Niño Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: July 22 2006,22:23 Update on the carbs... I'd assumed both pairs were TM36 but apparently not. After a close inspection yesterday the pair in question here are TM32's off the later SP, which explains the ovality of the bore. (there was another pair that I looked at) Furthermore they both have choke valves and needle jets missing so looks like I was well and truly screwed !!! All being well I can source these missing bits from the parts books as long as they are still available. jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,00:56 hi can anyone give us some links to this site cos im after parts for my 4hw these being tank rear panels etc , i know this  section is for the 3xv but the 4hw is its little brother lol , if anyone does have any spares like a tank any condtion (within reason ) rear sets ,etc  please let me know my e-mail is benneyboy1984@aol.com cheers -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,04:22 TRY THIS LINK http://page.okshon.com/v.cgi?Y....rl=http TYPE IN 4HW OR WHATEVER THE SEARCH IS FOR IN PLACE OF 3XV AND CLICK THE BUTTON TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE YOU ENTERED THE TEXT. GOOD LUCK. (#### CAPS LOCK HAS JAMMED !) -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,11:56 Wasn't the 4HW model the official 'shipped to Europe' version? I think the model was known as the 4FL in Japan? I May be confused on this though, so if anyone has the definitive info I'd appreciate being set right on this. Thanks for any pointers Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,18:08 ok ive used the link its good loads of stuff but i cant get it to translate , ive turned on accept all cokkies but just keeps say session exeprierd . also how do you guys pay for the stuff and have any of you got a currencey conveter -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

gbowie Two stroke spirit Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,19:27 This is a 3XV with 4FL tank and full 4FL OEM graphix kit, recently completed and up for sale, dead standard other than TZ 4DP pistons and heads machined to match the pistons to TZ specs. Newly plated cyls and brand new powervalve bobbins,bushes and linkages. Around 1600 Quid, but you collect. Fastest 125 in town. -------------- You'll live a lot longer if you give up the things that make life worth living ! Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,20:42 has anyone got a spare tank kicking about as im on the look for one but cant find one if so could u let me know how much u want inc postage -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,20:45 mate i see you used a 3xv swinger diffrent pipe -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,20:46 ops misread post but it isnt 125 then is it mate ! -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,21:10 Hi Geoff. The black front number board in graphics kit you have on there looks as tho it is designed to fit above the 3XV type headlight. The 125R 4HW model that we got in the UK has a bigger (taller) headlight unit (prob' for UK regs) and so would use a smaller front number board, I'm guessing. I've always been a bit confused about the difference btwn the 4FL and 4HW models, so maybe it is just something as simple as them having a different designation depending on which part of the world they were intended for, and therefore having slight differences due to regional differences in things like requitred headlight size for official market bikes? Anyone got any definitive info on this? Cheers Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

gbowie Two stroke spirit Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,21:41 All I can say is that every decal in that set had a 4DP prefix, and cost an arm and a leg. Around 250 Pounds. -------------- You'll live a lot longer if you give up the things that make life worth living ! Back to top

gbowie Two stroke spirit Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,21:43 Wrong... For 4DP read 4FL, Loosing it !! -------------- You'll live a lot longer if you give up the things that make life worth living ! Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,23:27 With okshon you have to register and create an account before you can bid. All payments are in US$. You will need to transfer some cash into this account prior to bidding. Most of the screen is in Jap. clicking on my account, the options here are all in english. For any specific item you look at there is a translate button at the top of the screen which opens up the item in another window with more english - be warned that the jap transalations take a lot of understanding. ie  when they say 'crack' it probably means scratch. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Aug. 17 2006,23:43 Quote (gbowie @ Aug. 17 2006,20:43) Wrong... For 4DP read 4FL, Loosing it !! Thanks Geoff. That would kind of ssem to tie in I think. I'm thinking that the 4FL model must have had the 3XV size headlight while the 4HW had the larger UK spec one (the 4HW was an official UK bike btwn 93 & 96) There were probabbly other differences as well, but I've always wondered why some call the Jap made 125R (as opposed to the Italian manufactured Belgarda 125RR -4DL) a 4FL and some a 4HW. Cheers Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 19 2006,12:21 as far as im aware the 4fl was a japense import bike where as the 4hw was the uk bike to follow on from the 3pc tzr (old shape ) . the only diffrence i can say i think is the graphics and possibley headlight but i think not deffo but i think the 4fl had a 32 m carb just the the 4dl itialn import where as the 4hw just had standard 28m carb -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

tzrlover tzr fananitic Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Aug. 19 2006,13:20 right i joined up to this jap auction site , got a account but it still wont let me trnaslate lol, ive made sure i have all languages installed on my computer , all i get is the session has exepried please make sure you have cookiies turned on and reset your browser , any ideas please i need help as i wanna buy some bits one more thing i see that pay pal is used does this mean i can pay for the full price of the item through paypal ??. sorry to be a pest but after finding this site from you guys i can finally start getting the bits for me 4hw and get her going -------------- project tzrr nearley on the go im looking for a 4dl frame if you have one please pm or e-mail me please , the plan to build a gp500 rep Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Aug. 20 2006,05:03 Yes I do everything on okshon through pay pal. If you are having trouble it must be an internet setting on your pc. You'll need to go in and try a few things out. maybe the security level is set too high ? I've never experienced a problem like this so you may need to seek some local set up help. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Aug. 21 2006,15:36 What do you need, Tzrlover? I have a coupleof 4HW specific bits and pieces that came in a job lot of 3XV bits I bought from Germany - wiring loom, frame tubes, rear mudguard etc. There's not much, but if you let me know of anything you need i'll have a look through the box. Cheers Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Aug. 22 2006,02:15 I just received my item today after telling(in a nice way) them that if i dont received my stuff  they should just refund my money, well as of today i received my stuff but im f#@$ing missing one my stuff because whoever pack the box didnt put alot of  newspaper that made the triple tree(yokes) move and cause a hole on the box. Heres what i bought. Im missing the clutch cover.I just hope it wasnt included in the box. -------------- Niño Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Aug. 22 2006,02:17 I'll post a pic of the box and show you how it was packed. -------------- Niño Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Aug. 22 2006,21:27 -------------- Niño Back to top

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