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China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 07 2006,16:32 I have a unique situation here. I found a source for TZRS here i nvarious conditions.   My idea is what if I make a TZR using the bodywork and all I have and set it up for racing looks with street pracaticality. If I use the fairings I have with stock set ups I think I can make a good street bike that looks like a race replica. I already have the lighting situation figured out but the question I pose is would there be a market for a total rebuilt bike, ground up, that looks raced out? If so what would the going price be.  My mechanic is top notch so the quality would be there. Reason I thought of this is we are building one for a friend its his everyday drive bike dressed for track days.   Also I could have bought a 1993 SP today for 500 USD that would have been a great rebuild candidate.   The fact that it had the serial numbers ground off was a turn off. Any and all commetns are welcome Thanks Steve Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Sep. 07 2006,22:15 Are you talking about local consumption ? You are best placed to judge market factor. Exporting to Oz? forget it, they have the tightest bunch of tw*ts in charge of this area, that is why my bike is on the track. Impossible to register it for road use. Jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Sep. 07 2006,23:39 Parts would be feasible though... Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

ybk Group: Super Administrators Posts: 214 Joined: Mar. 2006 Posted: Sep. 07 2006,23:46 Why cant you register yours jools? (we also have pretty bureaucratic registration criteria here) Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 08 2006,01:34 Politics man...politics.  Just takes the fun out of life. Ok well I can always snatch up what I can and start a spare parts chain going.  The one yesterday had some adjustable forks that were better than mine so I think it was a 93 Sp. I can break them up pretty easy.  some of the stuff is total rubbish like the fairings.  They never seem to survive over here with so many people and bikes they always get trashed. Lack of proper maintenance is the big problem.  Bubble gum and duct tape rules here.  so I would need to strip engines down to see what they are like inside as well. Warwick you asked why I suddenly found a source for these..no a lost shipmetn of TZR's did not just finally make shore its just I hooked up with the right guy who knows eople and wher to get these.   Its a total black market thing.  These bikes are illegal as Muck here and they don't even bother with plates they just run the cops and hope they get away.  If they get caught the bike is taken with no way of ever getting it back. The crooked cops then sell it back on to the black market.  Kind of a circle of life thing ha ha Oh if I have a single place to send I can crate up a pile of spare parts and then send to the UK so the parts can be distributed. Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Sep. 08 2006,04:16 Steve parts are another matter and there is no restriction. Under A$700 value and they don't touch you for GST or duty either. I think competition machines aren't too dificult either. Its just complete bikes for road use they are strict on. If its a personal import you need to prove you have had it used and registered by yourself for the previous 12 months unless it was built before 1989 and then a different criteria applies. You need ADR compliance which means they have to have exactly the same tyres, bulbs handgrips, brake pads, tyre pressures etc etc as the ADR model had AND they have to be stated as compliance imports in all the paperwork. No changing of classification allowed once rubber stamped. Add to that Shipping costs, middle men, wharfies cost, GST and duty and its not worth it for a bike that doesn't really have a market. Trust me I've been down this road when I imported my cars from NZ. Unless its a special, its not worth it. They refused me a permit so I took on the department at appeal and won on a technicality - they were a pack of arseholes !!! -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Tom Mac Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Sep. 08 2006,12:05 crate em up and send em here -------------- Custom and replica sheet metal parts for classic Yamahas (and others) www.linksengineering.co.uk Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 08 2006,13:48 Thats what I was thinking.  Though with the serial numbers ground on most of them, I think it would be better to breakthem and send as spare parts.  You supply the frame and rebuild type of a thing. Bikes over here have (0) zero paperwork with them.  they are all illegal.  Well except for the little 150cc commuter bikes but who wants them anyway? Back to top

rvt2002 Unregistered Posted: Sep. 09 2006,09:28 I want one    Still looking for a tzr Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 09 2006,15:29 RVt I saw one the other day but it had the serial numbers ground down.  I will look for a more legit one. LIke I said the quality would be a ground up rebuild.  The Chines run them till they drop  no maintenace so you know what you are getting.   But for about 700 USD before shipping.................. Steve Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Sep. 09 2006,18:14 I dont mind if it needs a rebuild or need TLC thatsd what im really looking for. Try to find a RS if you cant i'll just settle for an R -------------- Niño Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,00:13 Ok I have to go see my man on the ground later today as it is. So its Ok if it shows up in two crates? Frame in one the rest in another?  Its far easier for me to get it out of the country as PARTS not a complete unit.   I am talking FAAAAAAR easier Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,01:15 Yes no problem with me -------------- Niño Back to top

chinoy Group: Members Posts: 603 Joined: Aug. 2006 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,10:55 This isnt a new idea. Guys have been buying up old two stroke restoring them and selling them on as a regular business here for decades. Same problem here duct tape and bubble gum rules. You buy the junk you strip it rebuild it and sell it on. Exporting them isnt an Idea worth looking into. a. 500 USD isnt cheap. b. Shipping would be the killer I know as we export calsic scooters to the UK and US. c. Breaking down bikes exporting them as parts and then re-asembling them at the other end has also been going on for years. You make a trip down to any of these countries Malasyia, Singapore, Indonesia, Sri Lanka. Most of the bikes are stolen bikes from Auz or the US, Serial numbers will be ground down but not allways. You break the bike and ship it in parts as parts. At this end you re-assemble it and then go to the transport dept and bribe them for an RC book. Or you take the pappers off a local bike and run it with those plates. Of course all this is very fishy. And god help you if you hit somebody and the cops get involved. THere is a place in Sri Lanka where these bikes are unloaded by the ship load. As junk. You go and pick em up. A mate picked up a complete RZ for 8K thats like 180$. He picked up a TZR250 in Indonesia for like 200$. He is a Shipie so travels a lot. You break the bike on the spot and ship the parts to where you want. Forget about restoring them the only business modell that works would be pick them up cheap then break them and sell the parts on ebay. Shiping rates will be the key. -------------- Changing the world one spark at a time Back to top

James H Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: Mar. 2006 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,11:01 Count me in too!! -------------- The search for knowledge can easily turn into hair loss! www.krazy-katt.com Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,17:31 HA! Great minds think alike.  Hd a talk with my buddy and that is the same conclusion we came up with. I think I can get around the frame situation though.   If I clean up the badlly ground area and stamp in new serial numbers then paper it up as a custom built one off frame from my legit H.K. Registered company then you might have what you need to go to the local registra and get a permit. I know it works in some of th US states.  Of course this wil require me cleaning up the frame adn possibly sending it out for a powder coat to look like a new manufacturered piece but I doubt the end user wold mind. I will work on this.  Its a very do-able thing on this end.  Yup Shipping....I hate shippers Grrrrrr  However I have a buddy that ships a lot to the UK and he has space available inhis conex containers so maybe  can cut a deal. Back to top

James H Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: Mar. 2006 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,19:41 sounds good to me.. -------------- The search for knowledge can easily turn into hair loss! www.krazy-katt.com Back to top

fredjee Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: April 2006 Posted: Sep. 10 2006,21:54 You already know my address Steve   Christmas is on the way you know M8   Fred. Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Sep. 15 2006,09:42 Any news on the tzr steve ? -------------- Niño Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 15 2006,10:26 I talked to him today he is looking for bike that not a total thrasher.  Some of them are in rather good condition he said.   I will see him again on Monday.  But also I will call him and tell him to hurry up a well. Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Sep. 15 2006,18:50 Sound good to me I dont really care abt the fairing if its thrash as long as its a dry clutch and the vin # are not ground up. -------------- Niño Back to top

tzrzbrian Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 16 2006,03:54 Steve Find me a 93 or newer SP Cheap and you can ship it to me with my carbon fiber snowmoble parts!!!!!!!!! Thats a firm order my friend! They are a biatch to register some paces here in the states too. I use the regi from my RZ 350 when I ride mine. If I get stopped I tell them I painted it. Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: Sep. 16 2006,15:41 Yes Again the problem is the VIN numbers being ground off.   MY thought is to strip the bike and clean up the frame then  Powder coat it black.  Thats Cheap to do here. I get rid of ANY Yamaha markings and stamp in "Grand Dragon Gear serial numbers" (Prior to powder coating) Then sell you a new frame that was one offfed for a TZR  think that will resister in your country?  Comes with a certified invoice.  I have a legal registered Hong Kong Company so I am a legitamate manufacturer. What do you guys think? Think that will work. Frame inone box parts in the other. Back to top

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