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Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 20 2009,21:38 Hi everyone, I'm new here, and on Monday will be collecting a 91 TZR250R 3XV, and am wondering where's the best place to get some everyday info about these bikes? I've only had about 30 minutes on one, and loved every second - I'm really looking forward to actually owning one after months of looking for a proper mint one, rather than an eBay mint one ;) What does a newbie like me really need to know to get the most out of owning a 3XV - apart from the obvious trackday fun! Thanks, Malc Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,02:01 Hi Malc, and welcome to Club 3XV. When you get the time, trawl through all the past threads in here & you'll find plenty of usefull info on them, I certainly did. If you GOOGLE :-  Pure-2-Stroke-Spirit , you'll find all sorts of stuff relating to all models of TZRs, ( & related TZ racers as well ), including parts manuals & workshop manuals !! ( Thanks RedandBlue ). Hope you don't have any major "headaches" with it, like I've had with mine recently !!, ( see some of the recent threads in here ). What you need to know to get the best out of them is :- 1.  Get the engine tuned to make at least 50 - 55 rear wheel hp.  ( Martin77, you might have another customer soon ) 2.  Get a decent set of exhausts to work with the tuning.  ( Martin77 again !! ) 3.  Stick with the stock airboxes, ignition & 28 mm carbs.    ( You can get up to high 50s with SP model porting sticking with the above ). 4.  Use top quality synthetic 2 stroke oil. 5.  Put a pair of Bridgestone BT 090 or Dunlop Alpha 10 tyres on the rims. (they're the stickiest road tyres) 6.  Book a track day. ( Now you can have some real fun !! )   You'll be pleased to know spares are not a problem either, though they can be expensive !!, ( as I've found out recently ).                               Bye for now, Wullie.   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,12:13 Hey Wullie, cheers for the advise, I'll certainly be trawling through all these threads as suggested. I just read the Martin's porting thread, and am pretty sure I've just accounted for another £110 (what's a credit crunch!?) What's yer advise on the best 2-T to use, and similar whats best for the gearbox? Used to use Castrol GTX a long time ago in the RDs! but I expect things might have moved on a wee bit since then? You're no fae Auchentogle, wae blonde spikey hair and an affinity for sittin' on upturned buckets, by any chance are ye? ;) Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,19:36 Quote (Malc @ Feb. 21 2009,10:13) You're no fae Auchentogle, wae blonde spikey hair and an affinity for sittin' on upturned buckets, by any chance are ye? ;) Howsitgaun Malc.   Naw, am fae the "Langtoun", ( Kirkcaldy ), in the Kingdom o' Fife, an' a dinnae hiv a bucket either.   As for oils, I use Silkolene, ( Comp 2 Injector, fork & gearbox oil ), but everyone on here has their own preferances. -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,20:06 Hheheh, am awright thanks Wullie. I hail fae Forfar myself, but live way doon sooth in the sootheast near Gatwick Airport for ma sins... its awright I suppose, raods are too busy to be any fun past 8am on a Sunday morning, but plenty tracks close at hand for trackdays. Cheers for the info regarding the oils - its been so long since I owned a stroker I doubt they even make Rock-Oil 2T anymore! Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,20:26 Quote (Malc @ Feb. 21 2009,18:06) its been so long since I owned a stroker ... Giz a potted history then.     -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,20:39 1986 - 17yo - RD125LC mk2 1988 - 19yo - RD250LC/350LC/YPVS/2MA of various ages descriptions, types and a single VJ21 in the mix too. 1998 - 29yo - sold out and bought a CBR600, then a GK76A, then a large and varied assortment of diesels ad lib infinitum 23-02-2009 - 40yo - after much soul searching, 3XV1. Roll on Monday...! Diesels can remain as commuter bikes, the TZR will be bike of choice on the Sunday rideouts and trackdays. Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,22:13 A very wise decision young man ! Welcome to the real (sometimes frustrating) world of the 3XV   Trawl through all the postings on here and we will hear from you in two weeks ! Seriously this, together with Alex's 2 Stroke Spirit website, is the ONLY site for good info on these bikes. http://www.pure-2-stroke-spirit.info/ Enjoy -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,23:16 What Jools said. Welcome aboard, Malc . If track days are you thing then theres quite a few of us stroker types doing Anglesey on May 8th with No Limits. And the RGV forum boys are organising a stroker day at Cadwell on Aug 17th. That goes for the rest of you lurking polishers and preeners too. Get yer 3XV's out (on track) for the lads This is what they are for: -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,23:46 Hey there Warwick, I've done a fair bit of racing with Bemsee on an NC30, so no stranger to, and certainly not afraid of the track! Never been to Anglesey though, but it sure looks an atractive circuit since they redone it. Only one question really... does anyone make wets that fit the 3XV? I may very well book up this day, just check with a mate first, he's been quite keen to visit Anglesey too. Due to distances involved, I'll prefer to share the transport costs, etc. Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 22 2009,00:03 Lol. My ribbing wasn't aimed at you Malc.  It'd certainly be grand to see another 3XV out there in May though (though I'll be taking just my 3MA to the Anglesey do I think). Certainly looks like a fun track though I reckon. Never been, but am very much looking forward to it. I think you'd probably need to change wheels if you want to run wets though sadly (it never rains on Anglesey though, does it? ). Having said that maybe you can get them in something like suitable sizes? I'd imagine the lads that run the priller125s in superteens must use something in the wet that'd fit a 3XV? Hmmm. Might investigate that further myself in fact... Certainly not much grip from the road tyres I have on the track when it's wet in any case... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 22 2009,03:46 Bridgestone wets on std rims are ok - they seem to have a slightly different profile to slicks and so fit better. 110/590 x 17 front 165/620 x 17 rear -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 22 2009,11:45 Quote (jools @ Feb. 22 2009,01:46) Bridgestone wets on std rims are ok - they seem to have a slightly different profile to slicks and so fit better. 110/590 x 17 front 165/620 x 17 rear Hehehe, no worries Warwick - I am firmly in the "ride it first, polish it later" camp. Although I like my bikes to look as pretty as possible, they're bought to be used, eh? Sorry its not a 3XV, but its relevant... from Mansfield, Cadwell: Hi jools, I have used the Bridgestone wet on the 18" rim on the NC30 - its a brilliant tyre right enough. If it isn't battering down rain, the BT090 isn't bad either - nowhere near the wet for full on performance obviously, but on a wet track a confident rider will easily embarass the trackday heroes. I haven't seen many wheels for sale for the 3XV, so before I check the compatability thread are there any other models wheels that fit? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 22 2009,20:36 Check out some of Slinger's threads. He runs TDM850 (or was it TRX?) wheels in his. These allow you to use 120/160 without distortion through rim pinch. Er, can you say that in mixed company...   Might have a look at the Bridgstone wets though, Jools, thanks. I'd quite like a set of 'wet wheels' but would rather stick with stock 3XV ones really for convenience if swapping over etc. For teh record, personally I'm less of a 'trackday hero' and more a 'trackday coward', so would quite like to try some proper wets at some point... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 22 2009,21:21 Bear in mind under pommie monsoon conditions you won't be getting anywhere near the ragged edge................ -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 22 2009,21:36 Hey Malc. That's a good photo of you on your old NC30, I see you like to wear the Saltire with pride. Gaun yersel big yin.  -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,01:07 Quote (jools @ Feb. 22 2009,19:21) Bear in mind under pommie monsoon conditions you won't be getting anywhere near the ragged edge................ Us big-bawed Scots don't think nothing about it when enjoying knee-down action in the absolute storming it down pouring rain (monsoons are for ladies ) while on the Wets - they really are amazing tyres, its just a shame they're not road legal! Us big-bawed Scots aren't big enough bawed to do the same on 090s in that weather though Wull, I'm on my third Saltire helmet now - Brands Druids kittie litter ate the first one, and the second one is retired through age now. Beautiful helmet.   Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,12:58 Malc, I,m seriously considering getting an ARAI Vipor GT in the Banda Red colour scheme, ( I've always hankered after an ARAI, but never had the money !! ).     It would match up great with my bikes colours, ( Red on White with black ). There's always the credit card option I suppose.    I take it you highly recommend an ARAI then.   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,13:44 If my experience is anything to go by, the only problem with buying an Arai is that once you've worn one for a bit you will probably never consider putting yer bonce in the care of anything else in the future, so you find yourself pretty much 'stuck' in a world of expensive (though excellent) helmets.  Try before you buy though as many reckon that some have 'Arai-shaped' heads while others just don't. I must have an Arai compatible bonce myself though 'cos I can wear mine all day long without noticing it's even there. Shop around, have a look at the best models with older or less fashionable paintjobs and you can often land a real bargain. Plain colours are cheaper too of course. Very highly recommended indeed. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,15:10 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 22 2009,18:36) Check out some of Slinger's threads. He runs TDM850 (or was it TRX?) wheels in his. These allow you to use 120/160 without distortion through rim pinch. Er, can you say that in mixed company...   I have a set hear which I can mod and supply the rear brake bracket and spacers if anyone interested. It's a great mod if your doing trackdays allows you to run 160 rear and 120 front which really opens up the market for tyres. Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,16:02 Hi Wull, basicly - yes, absolutely. The level of comfort is, in manys opinion, unbeatable, but they do not come out top on the windnoise test. That said, who rides without earplugs, so thats a mute point! (wee joke there for the sharp witted!) ;) As Warwick suggests though, definitely try before you buy - not everyone seems to have an Arai shaped head. I know what you mean about the cost, but I adopt a very much "what price is my head in one piece worth?" attitude. That said, I'm no doubt at all there are cheaper helmets which are every bit as safe and well-built as the Arai, but again its helps me in a confidence kinda way too. Confidence is priceless! --- I collected the 3XV this morning from Peter Harris (I believe many here will know him), and have just arrived back and spent the last 20 minutes just looking at it. Didn't touch it or anything, just looked at it with a cup of tea in one hand, and took in its beauty. And it is beautiful too. In fact, sod this internet/working malarky, I'm going away to spend another 20 minutes looking at it. Later guys...! Edit. Some piccies (very quick - excuse the rubbish light and ridiculous 18mm lens - no good at all for taking this kind of picture...) Full size (3008*2000) here (0.99Mb) Full size (2000*3008) here (0.95Mb) Full size (3008*2000) here (1.05Mb) Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,17:41 Quote (Malc @ Feb. 23 2009,14:02) ... and have just arrived back and spent the last 20 minutes just looking at it. Didn't touch it or anything, just looked at it with a cup of tea in one hand, and took in its beauty. And it is beautiful too. In fact, sod this internet/working malarky, I'm going away to spend another 20 minutes looking at it. Later guys...! I was exactly the same after mine was delivered !!  Spent ages taking 'er in from all angles. Had a big grin on my face all that day.   Oh, & thanks for the advice about ARAI helmets, gents. I'll bear it in mind if I go for one. There's an ARAI stockist up the road from me in Perth. ( the Scottish one Jools.   ). I could try on one for size there. Edit :-  JEEZO !!  I've just seen the pics. of your 3XV1, Malc.  It's IMMACULATE !!     No wonder you want to spend all day lookin' at 'er !!   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,18:19 Very nice! I loaned a mate of mine some plastics a while back and he was supposed to be doing some moulds for f/glass bodywork. I know he has the mould for the one peice seat unit done and has made a few of those up, but I'm not sure if he's done the track upper, sides and V peice yet? I'll ask him when I see him next because I'd imagine you might want some track plastics if it's going to be doing track days, with those being such good ones and all? -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,18:27 Peter Harris deserves all the credit for her looks, he did all the hard work in that department. What's even better mate is it came with receipts for a Stan Stephens full strip/rebuild (including a new crank), and new chain/sprockets/clutch, etc. and the tyres are brand new also. Okay, they are Continental Contiforce which I don't know too much about at all, but they'll do while I learn to ride her, and treat her to Bridgestones come the proper spring time. I had a quick 10 minutes before putting it in the van at Peter's (currently SORN and no MOT, so ) , and it runs as good as it looks. I'd read these things pull well from as low as 3,000rpm and this one certainly didn't disappoint. If she has any weak points at all its the front brake is a little spongey, but that's nothing a couple Goodridge lines won't put right. My only other disappointment? I was really hoping Peter was going to wheel his equally immaculate SP into the van by mistake, but...!   Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,18:29 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 23 2009,16:19) Very nice! I loaned a mate of mine some plastics a while back and he was supposed to be doing some moulds for f/glass bodywork. I know he has the mould for the one peice seat unit done and has made a few of those up, but I'm not sure if he's done the track upper, sides and V peice yet? I'll ask him when I see him next because I'd imagine you might want some track plastics if it's going to be doing track days, with those being such good ones and all? Yes please Warwick - we were talking about just that today. I would hate to throw it down the road with the good stuff on when I didn't have to. Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,18:32 Warwick, referance the one piece seat units, any word on prices yet ??  I'd like a "road" one. -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,18:37 Quote (Malc @ Feb. 23 2009,16:27) Peter Harris deserves all the credit for her looks, he did all the hard work in that department. What's even better mate is it came with receipts for a Stan Stephens full strip/rebuild (including a new crank), and new chain/sprockets/clutch, etc. and the tyres are brand new also. Malc, your a jammy b@$t@rd !!   How much did the bike skin you, if you don't mind me asking ??   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,19:08 I've no idea on prices for the plastics - or even if he's actually going to 'batch produce' a few I'm afraid. I know he's made and flogged a couple of seat units already, but I've no word on the other bits. I'll ask him to post up info/details if he's going to do a few sets for sale. Re: the front brake, Malc: the sumitomo calipers are quite prone to corrosion behind the outer dust seal. And this has the effect of making them feel pretty spongy at the lever as the pistons stick in the seals. Pop 'em off, pump the pistons out a bit, and if they dont push back fairly easily it'd probably be worth having the pistons and seals out, cleaning the seal locating groves out and rebuilding 'em with new dust seals - the main seals don't usually need doing. When they are right you can tip it on it's nose with two fingers no problem at all. The braided hoses also will help of course. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,19:30 hey warwick, i would be interested in a road seat unit if he does make them up. it's the only bit of bodywork i am missing now !! Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,20:00 Warwick, I know a fella in Bournemouth who may make body work for us if required. He does a fair bit for the ZXRs that race with Bemsee, and has done other for other bikes too. If the panels are available to use as moulds, and he is asked to make enough as it is worth his time, I can make a call and see...? Thanks for the tip re: the brake calipers - I'll investigate a little more at the weekend. Wull, in light of the other thread, all I am going to say is when I first met Pete he gave me a price which I was more than happy to meet, and pretty much met what I was expecting. ;) Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2009,22:58 Quote (Malc @ Feb. 23 2009,18:00) Wull, in light of the other thread, all I am going to say is when I first met Pete he gave me a price which I was more than happy to meet, and pretty much met what I was expecting. ;) Malc, sent you an e-mail on this subject.   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 24 2009,05:35 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 23 2009,17:08) Re: the front brake, Malc: the sumitomo calipers are quite prone to corrosion behind the outer dust seal. And this has the effect of making them feel pretty spongy at the lever as the pistons stick in the seals. Pop 'em off, pump the pistons out a bit, and if they dont push back fairly easily it'd probably be worth having the pistons and seals out, cleaning the seal locating groves out and rebuilding 'em with new dust seals - the main seals don't usually need doing. When they are right you can tip it on it's nose with two fingers no problem at all. The braided hoses also will help of course. KAWASAKI SEALS FIT AND ARE CHEAPER ...........(WELL DOWN HERE ANYWAY) -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 24 2009,21:21 Your Cap's Lock button stuck, jools? Or have you just got the hump If you take the seals into a decent 'old school' type spares place they should be able to match them up with suitable replacements Id think. Think the last lot I had were kawasaki, but I don't know which model/caliper type unfortunmately I think the Yam ones come in sets 'per piston', but you generally only need the outer ones so oem are an expensive option really -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

STEPTOE Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: Oct. 2007 Posted: Feb. 28 2009,16:33 re- wets, most of the 250 and 400 guys at the MGP use D264 's wet or dry. in fact both 400 races in 2007 were won using 264s, in mixed weather conditions, and the 400 newcomers last year was won using them in lashing rain, bloody ell it was raining up it was that heavy. short circuits are a bit harder on tyres tho, so it would really depend on just how hard you ride. -------------- viva la revolucion  !!  suck squeeze bang blow Back to top

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