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wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 25 2009,15:52 Here's a few pictures of Martin77s handi-work with porting tools. I think he's too modest to do it himself !!   (He gave me permission to post some pics though ?!). If anyone out there in the U.K. is reluctant to send him their cylinders & heads, ( I was !! ), you have nothing to worry about. Mine survived the trek from Fife, (east central Scotland), to deepest, darkest Devon & back without being lost by "Parcel Farce" !!   ,    & Martins best efforts to ruin them !!. ( only joking Martin.    I'm impressed, honest.   )  He performed his "not quite SP" spec. porting to my cylinders. I think he's raised all the main ports 1.5 mm from stock, squared of the main exhaust ports to also help increase area, opened out the auxilliary exhaust ports & reworked the Power-Valve spools to match. Both cyl.heads were skimmed. (New squish gap should be around 0.85 mm). No doubt he'll confirm or deny the above details at some point. Time, & a dyno', will tell if I get 50 hp, at around 10,500 actual rpm, at the back wheel with stock R/RS airboxes, 28 mm carbs & exhausts. I'm hoping for around 55 rwhp, @ 11,000 actual rpm, when I get around to buying & fitting a set of Martins hand-crafted exhausts.          He has quite a few satisfied customers, see various past threads in here for proof !! He charges £100.00 for porting work, plus a tenner to cover return postage.      DO IT, you know you want to !! -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 25 2009,16:32 Quote (wullie3XV9 @ Jan. 25 2009,13:52) No doubt he'll confirm or deny the above at some point.   I deny everything   I'm glad you're happy Wullie.... I guess the fact that I don't appear in the press or advertise etc, makes people a little wary, but the results should speak for themselves. And it's always nice to prove people's fears wrong. Anyway..good luck with the rebuild   Back to top

jerseybean Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: April 2008 Posted: Jan. 26 2009,00:27 I've been blessed with a top end tune "and" a set of hand made exhausts from Martin, and my mate who owns his own garage, who helped me put the engine together, doesn't dish out praise willy nilly. He liked em! Nuff said. Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,10:27 They look nice Martin     Back to top

Yatsushiro Prayin' For Rain... Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,12:33 Another positive vote. In my debut season I was lucky enough to be Martin's 'works/development' rider, using Martin's barrels, head, reed blocks and pipes (and lots of advice and encouragement). Superb performance and reliability meant I had a successful season, able to concentrate on chassis set up and riding. I've almost finished building a new (Evo!) engine, upon which Martin has tried a few new things. Last seasons engine will be my spare (and a known quantity). Can't wait to get it running and set up, then we'll dyno it. My only concern now is, with Martin's spreading fame and notoriety, how he'll fit me in... Heartily recommended -------------- Oddball Racer, #44 Generously assisted by Links Engineering Motive power by Martin77 Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,15:59 Don't worry Yats... the works riders always get priority Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,22:33 Typical, the TDR minority getting the special treatment !!     -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 27 2009,23:24 Damn right they do! I'd rather have my TDR than a crappy 3XV anyday Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,00:05 It's a terrible thing, envy . You been at the bramble home brew again? That said, every home should have a TDR, I must confess... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Yatsushiro Prayin' For Rain... Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,00:12 Quote (Warwickb @ Jan. 27 2009,22:05) That said, every home should have a TDR, I must confess... There goes the neighbourhood... I'd like to think that I'll always have a TDR, and eventually a 3MA... (Especially now they've altered the Bemsee F400 rules to give the 2 strokes more of a fighting chance) -------------- Oddball Racer, #44 Generously assisted by Links Engineering Motive power by Martin77 Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,21:20 We'll have to meet up at a trackday or something again this summer, Yats'. You could take the marvellous Perverse Thrillinder out and assess it's F400 potential... Mine's a bit rough round the edges, and personally I think a 3XV would be a better base all things being equal, but a serious 3MA built to your exacting standards could be quite a weapon I'd think - even if it's geometry isn't quite as focussed as more modern tackle. Anyway, It'd be worth racing one just to give the speccie-taters the aural treat that only a reverse at full chat can really deliver. And it is of course entirely in keeping with the 'oddball racer' ethos. I would require a few laps on the mighty race TDR by way of reciprocation of course...   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Yatsushiro Prayin' For Rain... Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,23:07 Warwick, you're on ! What are you doing on Friday, May 8th ? Looks like it could be the TDR trackday at Anglesey (check it out on the TDR forum) Could even have race TDR #2 ready to be run in around that time as well... -------------- Oddball Racer, #44 Generously assisted by Links Engineering Motive power by Martin77 Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,23:36 Er... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 28 2009,23:47 Friday the 8th of May, you say?  Hmmm... think I'm going up to Anglesey to turn the air smokey blue with a load of other stroker loons or summink? It rains 364 days a year on Anglesey though, you know? (snow on the 365th)... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,00:01 Sounds like a quality plan to me Yats'. I'm in! Been Fancying a run round Anglesey since they re-jigged it. I reckon such an event could even lure Martin from his lair too... Not sure what's happening to me posts? I keep posting responses to this and then they seem to disappear? Maybe I've finally been excomunicated for the exessive posting of nonsense... Hellooooooooooo -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

skinuthbilly Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: April 2007 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,02:33 i was on the verge of sending my top end back down to martin for just a little more work,when my cooker decides to call it a day, and i can't do without my cheese and toast you know!! his quality of work is as good as any 'professional' tuners that i've seen on my own bikes,and that includes bob farnham, and the great(sir)terry beckett,the greatest 250 proddy tuner of them all!!   Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,12:27 Quote (Warwickb @ Jan. 28 2009,22:01) I reckon such an event could even lure Martin from his lair too... Hmmm..... just booked a spot in the inters.... TDR or NSR though? which would you rather have a go on Yats? Ian...Send me your bits anyway, and you can pay me later...far be it for me to stand in the way of a man and his cheese on toast   (I mean your 3XV cylinders, not the broken cooker) Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,17:32 Martin/Yats. Can you post up a link to the TDO's booking page? I can't seem to find the details on the TDR forum. Cheers chaps! -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,19:10 Just phone 'em up dear boy... 01727 899173 Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,21:41 I really fancy going to this one.... It's 280 miles from me though!   -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,22:17 It's over 300 from down here in West Somerset! And a further 70 or so on top of that from Martin's place down Dartmoor way.  Where there's a will, Mr. Honkytonk... Don't want to shame you too much, but I believe even some of the Jersey TDR posse are coming over on the boat too... You could even use it as a target date for finishing the 3XV -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,22:27 Yadda yadda yadda.... Yeah, OK. I'll check with financial control.... Anyone going from my way wanna share a van?   Hmmm.... 3XV....   -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 29 2009,22:31 That's more like it. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,00:23 Quote (skinuthbilly @ Jan. 29 2009,00:33) (Martins) quality of work is as good as any 'professional' tuners that i've seen on my own bikes,and that includes bob farnham, and the great(sir)terry beckett,the greatest 250 proddy tuner of them all!!   'Kin 'ell. High praise indeed Ian !!     Martins head wont fit in his helmet after reading that comment !!         -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,15:23 It's alright, I'm far too modest to let any praise interupt my life long amibition for humility... Back to top

wullie3XV9 Wullie3XV9 Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,21:23 Quote (martin77 @ Jan. 30 2009,13:23) It's alright, I'm far too modest to let any praise interupt my life long amibition for humility... Yeah, right !   -------------- Just when I'm about to make ends meet, someone moves the ends !! Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,21:58 Is it just a TDR track day, or anything that bellows out blue smoke Back to top

Yatsushiro Prayin' For Rain... Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,22:13 It's origins are the PB Mag Forum, but there is an attempt to swamp it with as many 2-Strokes as possible. There is a group of TDR riders going, aiming to make it our '09 get together... -------------- Oddball Racer, #44 Generously assisted by Links Engineering Motive power by Martin77 Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,22:15 Quote (martin77 @ Jan. 30 2009,13:23) It's alright, I'm far too modest to let any praise interupt my life long amibition for humility... Hi Martin what are you like with LC cylinders........................... -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Jan. 30 2009,22:28 Quote (Yatsushiro @ Jan. 30 2009,20:13) It's origins are the PB Mag Forum, but there is an attempt to swamp it with as many 2-Strokes as possible. There is a group of TDR riders going, aiming to make it our '09 get together... Cheers Yats Warwick, Martin you could camp at mine to break up the run if you like. Will deffo be up for this Back to top

martin77 martin77 Group: Members Posts: 453 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,00:09 You'd better hurry up and phone them Glyn..it's quickly getting booked up. As for LC cylinders Jools, I've not touched any since my old 250LC when I were a mere teenager (although that was quicker than my mate's old bog stock 3XV). Still...I'm sure I can fit my grinder in there if you wanted and we'll see what happens Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,20:51 Which track layout are they using? They all look like fun mind you...   -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,21:59 The 'Coastal' . Tempted yet? -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:47 oooooooooooh this track day looks like it could be fun.....what groups are people booking in ? time 2 get the 3xv racer out ... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,23:00 I think most of the stroker types have gone for the Inters or novices, Andy (me and Martin have both gone Inters). As Martin mentioned though you might need to book pretty soon to bagsie a place. If the weather plays ball, I reckon it'll be a grand day out. Be great to see you there.   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,00:39 Pity its not on in June.......... -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,03:29 I might have my old stinker up and running by then (hopefully, cash allowing) and i dont mind the long trip ! Be nice to see some other 3xv's. Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,18:25 Quote (martin77 @ Jan. 30 2009,22:09) You'd better hurry up and phone them Glyn..it's quickly getting booked up. All booked up can't wait anyone doing the twostroke day at Cadwell this year. Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,19:53 Assuming there is a specific 2-stroke day, most certainly. If not I'll be going up at some point in any case. Gotta get the mountain figured out... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,22:53 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,17:53) Gotta get the mountain figured out... (Nearly) full throttle and lie on the tank is the way for me... (sorry it's not a TZR pic...) -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:07 The problem with the track 3XV is the really tall first gear (SP bottom end and taller final gearing too), means that you tend to crest the mountain just as the power is kicking in hard at the top of first. I don't mind a bit of wheelie but it's really quite alarming as it flies up like a startled crow and tries to pivot round the rear axle! Taken in second it's below the power so is too sluggish. Need to run an R gearbox for Cadwell realy 'cos then it'd be nicely in second like the far more predictible 3MA was.   Nice pic, ya tart! -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:08 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,17:53) Assuming there is a specific 2-stroke day, most certainly. If not I'll be going up at some point in any case. Gotta get the mountain figured out... Found this Warwick sound like fun http://www.rgv250.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=29263&st=0 Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:09 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,21:07)   Nice pic, ya tart! Sorry. Couldn't resist...   -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:13 Yes, Thanks Glyn. Martin just flicked me the date too. Supposed to be in France on hol's then, but France ain't going anywhere is it? So yes, I'll be there. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:18 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,21:13) Yes, Thanks Glyn. Martin just flicked me the date too. Supposed to be in France on hol's then, but France ain't going anywhere is it? So yes, I'll be there. Me too. I'm not missing another one damn it! -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:21 On the 3XV -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

honkdawillydahonk Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: June 2005 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:30 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,21:21) On the 3XV We'll see... It may well have an engine fitted soon!   -------------- NEVER EAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN YOUR HEAD.... Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:36 Excellent! And it's good to have a target... Actually on second thoughts don't do it. It'll only make my old sh*tter look even tattier and lashed together with baling twine - ooh arrrr...   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Yatsushiro Prayin' For Rain... Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:59 Quote (honkdawillydahonk @ Feb. 02 2009,21:30) Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,21:21) On the 3XV We'll see... It may well have an engine fitted soon!   I have, literally, just fallen from my seat   -------------- Oddball Racer, #44 Generously assisted by Links Engineering Motive power by Martin77 Back to top

jerseybean Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: April 2008 Posted: Feb. 03 2009,22:32 It seems this track day at Anglesey is getting a few people motivated to finish old projects, i have to confess to leaving things to the last minute. If i'm honest, i've done a fair few track days, but i'm a bit nervous about riding a stroker for the first time. I've not even got that much experience on the road.   Back to top

slinger Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Feb. 04 2009,01:45 Quote (jerseybean @ Feb. 03 2009,20:32) It seems this track day at Anglesey is getting a few people motivated to finish old projects, i have to confess to leaving things to the last minute. If i'm honest, i've done a fair few track days, but i'm a bit nervous about riding a stroker for the first time. I've not even got that much experience on the road.   Do it   The thing is it's a track day and not a race. If you want to go slow then go slow but you will soon get in the groove Enjoy the day meet new peeps and have a laugh Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 04 2009,03:41 Quote (Warwickb @ Feb. 02 2009,21:07) The problem with the track 3XV is the really tall first gear (SP bottom end and taller final gearing too), means that you tend to crest the mountain just as the power is kicking in hard at the top of first. I don't mind a bit of wheelie but it's really quite alarming as it flies up like a startled crow and tries to pivot round the rear axle! Taken in second it's below the power so is too sluggish. Need to run an R gearbox for Cadwell realy 'cos then it'd be nicely in second like the far more predictible 3MA was.   Nice pic, ya tart! Don't pussy around - get in there in second a bit quicker, take some spare undies with you.... -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 04 2009,19:29 Sound advice. Unfortunately my cahones won't play, er, ball   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

skinuthbilly Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: April 2007 Posted: Feb. 06 2009,01:56 warwick, i would have thought that park corner would have been more of a concern for you than t' mountain! personally i think the stock 3xv gearing is fine for cadwell,just need a few more ponies under the tank.......... Back to top

Spencer "Yeah it's seized" Group: Members Posts: 762 Joined: June 2007 Posted: Feb. 06 2009,02:23 I have been toying with a F400 race on a two stroke but I thought 3XV, maybe flogging off the 2ma and building something. How much power could you squeeze from a 3XV or would the 3MA be a better prospect. I know the Tz barrels + bits aparently go on but I'm guessing theres way more to it than this? Its just a nucleus of an idea at the mo, those ramair ZXR's are quick though at 80bhp -------------- TZR+RDF2 #54 www.spencerreeves.co.uk Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 06 2009,19:06 just booked up for the anglessey track day........got in the inters........and there' only 6 places left.........so be quick !! now where did i put that dustbuster? spencer....i raced a 3xv before ypm's.....if my ypm bike sells....i'm going out in the 400's on it ....  watch out balerini !! Andy Back to top

Spencer "Yeah it's seized" Group: Members Posts: 762 Joined: June 2007 Posted: Feb. 06 2009,19:32 What neddies does your 3XV put out Andy? Be nice to see some more two strokes in the F400 - I know John Sanders isn't really pro two strokes, but the rules have opened up with the weight limit being dropped so nows a good chance. why not take it to Lydden this year either way. I might unleash the "Valve" on them there . -------------- TZR+RDF2 #54 www.spencerreeves.co.uk Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 06 2009,19:54 it had 63 ponies in it's last year of racing 2006....but there's a few plans ahead, so hopefully have a few more by May. Lyd is as much about good drive out the corners, as outright power so ya valve shud have a good chance so long as the handings sorted ! Andy Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 06 2009,21:46 63 -65 seems the ball park without changing the ignition to a TZ which is not as simple as it sounds (see my earlier posts on the subject) But that power is useable and reliable - unlike RGV's   Putting a TZ top end, pipes and carbs & CDI is an easy option but you would need the wiring and regulator as well as some fiddling with the stator wiring if you kept the stock TZR rotor & stator assembly. I would also use an SP crank for insurance. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Malc Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 21 2009,12:08 Quote (Andy Bush @ Feb. 06 2009,17:54) Lyd is as much about good drive out the corners, as outright power so ya valve shud have a good chance so long as the handings sorted ! Hi fellas, Part of the reason behind the ZXR success is the gearing in 5th/6th is short enough (1.2:1 and 1.1:1) to let them run bleedin' great rear sprockets, almost motocross size! Obviously this gives them massive acceleration in the lower gears too. Mind you, 80bhp does indeed help! Cheers... Back to top

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