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essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,21:56 As ive got my bike in boxes and never actually riden it, i dont know how it rides. Im going to treat it to some new rubber as the tyres on it are different front and rear and looking a bit rough. Who is using what tyres ? Are there any recomendations or tyres to stay clear of ? And also, these are the tyre sizes ive found on the 3xv download but just wanted to check with you guys . My bike is a 3xv4 Front 110/70 r17 54h Rear  150/60 r17 66h. Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:09 Yes, those are the correct sizes. Bridgestone BT090s are great on road and track. As are Dunlop alpha-10s. Neither will see you covering vast road mileages - the bridgestones being a bit more hard wearing than the Dunlops in my experience I'd say - but both are good and sticky enough for very enjoyable trackdays. Which is the important thing for me really. M&P still have the pair deal on the Alpha10s I think - £109 for the 110 front and 150 rear combo. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:20 I was looking at bridgestone bt090's but i will check out the dunlops. Ive never fitted tubeless tyre's myself, what do you use for the bead seal ? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:32 In my case, the car . I run em into town and get 'em fitted by a tyre fitter... If fitting 'em yourself you can buy tyre fitting lube stuff. They seem to seal fine just using that (or just a bit of fairy) from what I've seen of others changing them at home, but as you can tell, I'm no expert.   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:35 I'll go the fairy liqiud route ( cheaper ). Used it enough times on car windscreens Seen  the bt 090's for £168 on m&p's. Just looking now for any cheaper deal's. No alpha's on there though warwick. Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:44 M&P alpha10 deal That'll be a pint you owe me... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,22:49 Quote (Warwickb @ Jan. 31 2009,20:44) M&P alpha10 deal That'll be a pint you owe me... That was close.... i was just typing my card details when i read this.  A pint it is !! I was looking for the tyre's under alpha10 !! Thank's warwick !! I'll put the pint in the post if you want ? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Jan. 31 2009,23:04 Yes, it's a stupid bloody name for a tyre, innit? You beter hang on to the pint for now though... Postman Pissed would only sup it 'en route. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,00:43 Anyone considered Avon AM22/23 race tyres ? available in 17" and stick as brown stuff to a piece of cloth. If you are into track days & not doing too many road kms wear not really an issue and most of the classic racers use them. Not cheap though. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,01:16 Those are bloody ancient old hoops arent they, Jools? If they're the same ones I'm thinking of, I'm not sure they're even available over here anymore? Used to use 'em on my LC in the 80s as I recall... Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong tyre though? Anyway, I Forgot to mention Dunlop's excellent D209s. The lads that race Priller 125s use them to very good effect. You wouldn't want to use 'em too hard in the cold and wet on the road, mind. About as close to a slick without actually being one that you can get and still be road legal. Just put some on me TDR . Feel great in the dry, but not quite so confidence inspiring on cold, wet winter days   -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,09:48 Quote (Warwickb @ Jan. 31 2009,23:16) Those are bloody ancient old hoops arent they, Jools? If they're the same ones I'm thinking of, I'm not sure they're even available over here anymore? Used to use 'em on my LC in the 80s as I recall... Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong tyre though? Maybe they have been around a bit, (like me !!) but you take a look at most of the club riders running the smaller sizes, especially in Forgotten Era. Lapping Phillip Island in 1' 51" on a TZ350 aint bad - Wally Campbell did a 1'43" on his Mk 5 RG500 even Gardner couldn't manager that on slicks......?? A very under rated tyre - I'd have to say that as I just bought a pair   And made in good old blighty ! 110/650x18 front AM22 130/650x18 rear AM23 (can be used as front) These are of course race compound Not For Highway Use - that never stopped me going to work on me RD400 proddy bike on KR124's (still available) -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,16:07 I have bit the bullet and gone for the gpra-10, seem to be a good tyre for the money, so i'll let you know when they turn up. Just got to get the old one's off now, should be fun ! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,16:49 If you haven't got a bead breaker it's a lot less agro (and it's quite easy to damage the rims if you start trying to whack'em off with a cold chisel or something ) to take them into a National Tyres or somewhere. They generally charge about a tenner per wheel (including balancing). Well worth it in my book... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,21:12 Ive ordered some rim protectors with the tyre's to help protect the rims when i remove and refit the tyre's. If in doubt, ill get the grinder out !!lol.  I dont have a car so getting the wheel's anywhere is a nightmare ! Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,21:19 The rim protectors will protect the rims when putting the new ones on, but your problem will more likely be in pushing the old tyre beads off the rims to remove them. If you have a big enough vice I've seen those used to good effect as a bead breaker though... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,21:26 i have'nt got a large enough vice, but i do have some large g clamp's which may do the job !?! Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 01 2009,21:27 One of the guys at PI had a great little bead breaker, a few bits of 25mm square section with a pivoting lever and bead end attached, I meant to take some photos but it looked like a commercially available bit of kit not a lash up. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,21:00 Got the tyres off !! Yey !! Using a collaboration of brut force and ignorance ! Just a shame that the disc bolt's for the rear wheel rounded off, it was going so well.... Does anyone know where to get a decent bearing puller that'll fit the wheel bearing's ? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,21:07 You don't need a puller. Just wiggle the inner spacer bit out of the way (it'll only move sideways at one end and might be a bit stuck) and tap the one you can now get at out with a suitable drift. Then you can remove the spacer and get at the other side one. Compared to getting the tyres off the bearings are a piece of cake. The bearings are a common type so any decent bearing place will have them in stock. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

yam4l0 Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,21:07 Quote (essarjayauto @ Feb. 02 2009,19:00) Does anyone know where to get a decent bearing puller that'll fit the wheel bearing's ? I've seen this method mentioned on another bike forum, might be worth a try.   Quote Use a raw bolt, and drift. Do the rawbolt up on the inner face of the bearing very tight. Then from the other side use a drift. Bearing should come straight out. Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,21:13 Quote (yam4l0 @ Feb. 02 2009,19:07) I've seen this method mentioned on another bike forum, might be worth a try.   To be honest im not too keen on that because i want to re-use the bearing's. I am only taking them out to powder coat the rim's. Good idea though. Back to top

yam4l0 Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,21:49 Quote (essarjayauto @ Feb. 02 2009,19:13) Quote (yam4l0 @ Feb. 02 2009,19:07) I've seen this method mentioned on another bike forum, might be worth a try.   To be honest im not too keen on that because i want to re-use the bearing's. I am only taking them out to powder coat the rim's. Good idea though. I wouldnt risk re-using wheel bearings, they are not expensive to replace. I have bought bearings from http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/ very reasonably priced & a very good service. Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,22:59 If the bearings aren't already knackered, they will be by the time you've got 'em out whatever method you use I'd think. The kind of bearings you want can be had for about 2 or 3 quid a peice. Hardly worth trying to re-use 'em really? Rears are 6004 RS, Fronts are B6203 'DU', but RS will be fine if they're easier to get. A proper bearing shop migghtbe best, but you can usually find perfectly acceptable bearings on ebay. Just type in the codes. Better to just spray the wheels in any case I'd say. Powder coat is (relativley speaking) pretty heavy. Notthat Im obsessive about weight savings or anything... -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

essarjayauto Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: Dec. 2008 Posted: Feb. 02 2009,23:04 I think i'll get new bearing's like you say, also mean's i dont have to be "gentle" when getting them out! As for the painting, powder coating should not be that much heavier if you use decent powder which is properly applied !!! And seeing as i am a powder coater by trade it's going to be cheaper !! Back to top

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