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Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: April 26 2007,17:20 I currently have Metzeler Sportec M-1 standard stock size.  I am hoping for something that has more bite to the ground.  What you guys use?   I wish to go for some track tire thats barely street legal, like Diablo Supercorsa... Or if I can get another set of rims.. Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 26 2007,22:13 Those Diablo supercorsa tyres look good but I don't imagine they'll ever produce them in TZR sizes................ -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: April 26 2007,23:17 Have a look at the Dunlop Alpha 10s. Lots of sticky rubber and very little tread. Sound like what you are after. Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: April 26 2007,23:25 Anywone know abotu the Metzler MZ-1 tires?   I will break them in today and see how they stick after I scrub them in but I will not bring them up to full speed as I want them for the race next weekend.   After next weekend I will be able to tell you if they held up to full on race conditions. Personally I am a big Michelin fan but I can not seem to find any slicks or even street tires her fr mthem.  Everyone likes the Dunlops. All standard size nothing bigger than what came on them stock. My Dunlops skipped around a bit the other day and gave me nice warning they were on the edge   like that about them. Sadly  can only take what I can get out of Hong Kong at a given point in time. Anyone like Avons? Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 27 2007,01:28 Avons good but expensive I use Bridgestone slicks and wets. My Dunlop GPR70's are a bit ols and hard now so will probably replace them with BT090 or something, although I'll have a good look around first. The Pirelli's have had good reviews and are developed from the World Supersport Series. -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 27 2007,02:24 Those gpr70 or a10 dunlops, we dont get those stuff here in USA. Theres still alot 150/110 tires being made. Michellin(sp?),Avon,Metzeler,Pirelli and Bridgestone still offer them. I got supercorsa on my nsr250 and there pretty good and sticky. -------------- Niño Back to top

rvt2002 Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 27 2007,02:26 Btw the M-1 are old design. Get the M-3 if you still prefer Metzeler. -------------- Niño Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 27 2007,05:20 Just read that Metzeler is owned by Pirelli, and at recent WSB round in Valencia many of the Supersports were seen wearing Metzeler Wets ! Permitted as Pirelli can supply what tyres they like, they are the provider. So the question i suppose is how do the M-1/M-3 compare to the supercorsa ?? Also Pirelli manufacture their Supersport tyres in Germany, maybe at the Metzeler plant -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

pdxjim Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 27 2007,06:06 I'm running Pilot Powers in the standard sizes.  No complaints. Like RVT says, gpr70, bt090, and a10s are very hard to source over here. Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: April 27 2007,09:20 OK I got a report on the Metzlers...CRAP! Got to the track temp was about 60 Degree F Used tire warmers and brought them up t about 60C beofr tehy said OK go now I wantd to bring tehm up to 80 C btu had no time. So I went out and used Caution  went three or four laps figured they wer up to temp. did just like  Idid last week as far as cornering speed etc adn SLAM!  lowsided at low speed adn whacked my right side this time.  Wel at least I wil be a well rounded purple in a few days. Bike was fine but this crashing crap is getting old. Went back to the pits looked the bike over checked the tires and then realized my sponsor put a 120 on the front and a 150 on the rear and  it was also a higher profile.  So things were not set up like last week. Butt head.  He should have told me and shame on me for not looking. So we decided back to the Dunlops that worked so well last week and I am sticking with them. Those metzlers were way too hard they were MZ-1's. I need to go ice up a bruised shoulder so thats the report on the F'n Metzlers Back to top

TheBryMan Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: April 2007 Posted: April 28 2007,18:22 Michelin Pilot Race in standard sizes are grippy enough to scrape pegs and still have plenty of life after 4 or 5 trackdays.  Fine on the road and ok in the wet too. I like the look of the Michelin Power Race but not sure if they come in 250 sizes? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: April 28 2007,22:55 250? Blimey. What wheel are you using Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

TheBryMan Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: April 2007 Posted: April 29 2007,16:26 Did I say 250?  40 horses need a lot of harnessing...   Just checked Demon Tweeks and the Power Races are available in 110 and 150 sections, soft compound only. Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 29 2007,18:26 Sorry to hear you binning it Steve, When I raced my 3XV, i mainly used BT090's, because they lasted  3 meetings, and provided good enough grip at £120 a pair through a contact. I did try the power race michelin's and boy they were sooo much better. however they were totally shot at the end of one weekend - 4 races, and they were £190 a pair ! So cheapskate me went back to the 090's and the slides !! Andy Back to top

Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: April 30 2007,19:18 sorry to hear your accident Steve.  I am not sure MZ-1 but my M1 slide quite a lot too.  Even I am not pushing it, an lower lean angle will upset the tire.  I do agree "Metzler is crap" part I am thinking of dumping the 1 trackday + 500km old M1 and upgrading it to pilot power(they have 120/150)... but its a very big waste... wish I have extra set of rims where I can put race tire on it... someone have a set for sell? Back to top

kqtzr Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: Mar. 2007 Posted: May 01 2007,01:39 I think the the Mich. power race are great, plenty of slow feed back, & I mean slow like oh that's what's happening not OH SHIT what's this. On 250 bikes you need to use soft/soft, better grip than soft/med. Plenty of sizes available. Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: May 01 2007,03:41 What do you pay in the USA for a pair of Power Race softs ? -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

kqtzr Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: Mar. 2007 Posted: May 01 2007,13:40 It's a little steep, $360. Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: May 01 2007,15:36 I found I am allowed to use slicks is that what the Michelin Power race are?  If not then I can get power race from Hong Kong maybe .   I like the 110 front 150 rear set up.  I like Michelins as well just hard to get at times.  I need a long lead. Thanks for the input I got the Dunlops in and will mount and proactice on them day after tomorrow.  Got teh race on Friday. Legs healing up shoulders about there as well. Anyone think a 120 fornt 160 rear in a Michelin slickwill work better than a 110 front 150 rear in a dunlop BT street? Its not the cost savign its saving my ass that is my concern. I have that available right now if I so choose but the over size scared me off a bit. Quick feed back please I only got a day to decide. Back to top

grumpini Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: April 2006 Posted: May 01 2007,20:19 The Metzeler M-1 is essentially the same tyre as the Pirelli Diablo: so definitely not an out and out track day tyre but still a respectable tyre for the road! A 120/150 combo shouldn't have been fitted either and may have been as equally responsible for the reason you crashed as the road biased compound. It's a bit harsh to say the M-1 is 'crap' when used for the wrong application in the wrong fitment: the M-1 has received many excellent reviews (although I would question it's suitability on the TZR. I use them and don't really have any issues - you just got to make sure they're warm. Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: May 01 2007,23:07 Steve, for the std TZR sizes you will be very lucky if you find 110 & 150 section slicks. Thats why I use 120 & 160, not ideal but pretty good in my opinion. To get the right profiles from these slicks you need to source TZ front and rear wheels. TZR rotors fit so you don't need to change calipers. You will need to bugger around with spacers. I changed the wheel bearings on the front TZ wheel to match the TZR axle diameter. Not sure whats needed on the rear TZ wheel but i expect its a little more involved. The SUGO manual is a good help here as they provided kits to use the TZ wheels. Tyres? Bridgestone, Dunlop and Michellin. I use Bridgestone Softs. Get tyre warmers they are essential, not just to warm up but to reduce the heat cycles so they last longer. Sorry to hear about the drop, look out these things come in three's !!! Jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

China_Racer_1 Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: May 2006 Posted: May 01 2007,23:35 Ok so in your opinion I should stick witht the Dunlop 110/150 combo for better performance even thought the 120/160 slicks stick better then? I hae tires warmers and I use them religiously.  Thats why I thin the Metzlers are junk but as pointed out if they are not meant for the track then That would explain their lack of performance. I think I will ere on the side of caution and give up any advantage of speed that slicks might offer and stay with the Dunlops.  Unless you tel me its Ok to use 120/160 in a slick. Just gun shy after 2 smak downs thats all. Oh and yea they come in threes the bike went down again but with another rider on it.  Fixed it already and it was minor damage. Lucky I got three full sets of body work for the thing.  Also I got plenty of spare foot pegs so no big issues. Not that I believe in superstision anyway  but life does have its cycles (No pun intended) I do plan to order these Michellins that every one is ranting about they sound like a good thing. Back to top

Aussie_TZR Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Aug. 2006 Posted: May 02 2007,06:24 I've just been looking for racing tyres and I've come across Michelin Power Race they come in 110 and 150 but only in soft compound? I was told with the narrower tyre you'll get better control. Don't know how much they cost though? Back to top

Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 02 2007,23:57 I give the M1 one more try this week before I totally abandon it... tire are not cheap, speically Michelin Back to top

kqtzr Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: Mar. 2007 Posted: May 03 2007,04:27 Mich Power race 110/150 $270. US http://www.motorace.com/miva....e=MTSBT Back to top

jools Group: Members Posts: 1221 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: May 03 2007,05:14 Kevin thats not a bad price, only problem is they want near $370 to ship to Australia by UPS no other option given, bummer!! Jools -------------- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...." oscar Wilde Back to top

Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 10 2007,14:22 M1 for sure is a goner.  now the debate is Michelin slicks or pilot power?  slicks will make my bike no longer street friendly, I am afraid power will not provide enough grip I demand... any thoughts? Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: May 10 2007,17:39 Unless you are racing or absolutely track-day only, slicks would be very limiting. A good street tyre like the pilot will give you all the grip you need on the occasional track day (and would even be usable in the wet) - and would allow you to still ride on the road. For me there's no contest. I still think you should be working through the set-up too though. I ride pretty hard - both on the road and, especially, on track days and have never lost the rear in any meaningful way. Perhaps a shock overhaul or replacement would be a better investment than slicks? - which generally don't even work as well as good, small bike specific road tyres other than in a pretty narrow heat range. -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 11 2007,16:22 I have the front rebuild last summer (still using the tired old spring, but cutted), along with an Ohlins shock but not sure if it setup correctly... might need a overhaul. the more i think of it the more i feel its something to do with the rider Back to top

skinuthbilly Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: April 2007 Posted: May 11 2007,23:24 umm, what about those dunlop 208 gp's that the aprilia superteens use? i watched them at cadwell the other week, and i'd be more than happy if i could match their times!!    must be bloody good tyres!!!!!!!!!!!! Back to top

grumpini Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: April 2006 Posted: May 14 2007,15:40 Quote (skinuthbilly @ May 11 2007,22:24) umm, what about those dunlop 208 gp's that the aprilia superteens use? i watched them at cadwell the other week, and i'd be more than happy if i could match their times!!    must be bloody good tyres!!!!!!!!!!!! Dunlop have also just released new GP Racers (and Qualifiers) in dual compounds: I use Qualifiers on my GSXR750 and love them - I have a set of the older GP Racers ready to fit when the weather gets a little more consistantly dry and warmer (and some 208 GPs). I'll post some thoughts when I've been through all three! I know you can get Qualifiers in a 150 rear but am not sure how well they will work on a lighter bike (the Metzeler Sportec M1s are a popular choice on big Gixers but haven't proved popular on here - although I think the Qualifier is more of a S/Sports tyre than the M1 so I'd still be happy to give them a go on the TZR) but since the GP Racer is more a track orientated tyre i would think they'd be worth a go. Back to top

Warwickb Group: Members Posts: 1911 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: May 14 2007,17:03 The recently released Dunlop Alpha 10 is the replacement for the D208/9s etc. for smaller/lighter bikes and come in the appropriate sizes - even a 140/18 for the 3MA and other older smokers - so I'd think they would be the logical track-orientated Dunlop rubber to run on a small light bike. I've mauled some and they feel pretty soft, but haven't tried them on a bike/track yet. Hopefully will over the summer though... Cheers Wb -------------- A garage overflowing with old stinkers... Back to top

Andy Bush Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: May 16 2007,14:25 The alphs - 10 is what i'm currently using on my 1KT ypm racer. No problems to report after Brands. At least as good as the GPR-70 that was on there prior. Andy Back to top

Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 29 2007,16:24 Quote (kqtzr @ May 03 2007,03:27) Mich Power race 110/150 $270. US http://www.motorace.com/miva....e=MTSBT just ordered them... they are on the way how may track days does one of those set last? Back to top

kqtzr Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: Mar. 2007 Posted: June 01 2007,02:34 Yorkee. I got a full race season (8 weekends @ 3 12min. races-4, 15 min. practices per) the 1st year I raced. I now use TZ rims & run the 120/160 power races soft/med.soft & have been getting a new set abut half way through the season. I'm going a wee bit faster now. Back to top

Yorkee Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: April 2004 Posted: June 01 2007,17:09 I am slow... so I can have maybe 6-7 day out of it? Haha can't wait until next week!!! Back to top

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