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Topic: P.v. "death rattle"., A simple, free cure !< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
wullie3XV9 Offline
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Posted: Jan. 27 2009,23:10 QUOTE

I spent today getting rid of most of the lateral end-float on both of my Power-Valve spools, which causes the notorious "death rattle" sound from the engine area. If someone has posted this method before, my appoligies, I've obviously missed the "thread" that it first appeared on !!   I thought of this all by myself, honest !!   :D  
If you own, ( or can beg or borrow, I'm not condoning stealing !! ), a small file, it's a cost free cure for "death rattle".
Before I did this, both my spools lateral end-float was around 0.7 - 0.8 mm !!



Remove P.V. caps & spool before filing starts on cap mounting lugs. (Lugs high-lighted above by orange pointer).



Using the small file, remove small, equal amounts of metal from
both lugs, on both sides of each cylinder. Aim for 0.2 - 0.3 mm of spool end-float. The moral here is, remove a little, trial fit often !!



With the spool & caps refitted, ( including rubber cap seal ), & fasteners tightened down fully with an Allen key, check the end-float & that the spool turns easily in its housing.
If you feel there's still too much end-float, remove caps & spool, & file a little more metal off the lugs on BOTH sides. Try to centralise the curveture of the valve in the curved part of its housing, visible at the top edge of the exhaust port, which will help reduce friction when being turned. I removed approx. 0.2 - 0.25 mm from the lugs on each side of the cylinder, ( 0.4 - 0.5 mm in total ).
REMEMBER, LITTLE AMOUNTS, CHECK OFTEN !!
As stated earlier, aim for 0.2 - 0.3 mm. This amount of end-float SHOULD allow for any expansion of the Power-Valve spool when hot.       I'll find out if this has cured my "death rattle", ( & if the spool still turns freely !! ), when I get my engine back together & running !!  
As I said at the start, a free & easy cure !! ( hopefully )  ???
Again, my apoligies if someone has suggested all this before on a previous thread !!   :O  :D


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Posted: Jan. 27 2009,23:27 QUOTE

Nice work! Another way is to use a suitable thin washer or shim between the cap and the valve end, but as Wullie says make sure you leave enough free-play or they will stick when they expand - and possibly burn out your PV servo, ahem... :;):.  New outer oil seals will also quiten 'em down... for a bit. :D

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Posted: Jan. 28 2009,01:20 QUOTE

Warwick,  "a suitable thin washer or shim between the cap & the valve end" was the first thing I tried. But it pushed the L/H half of the valve against the curve in the cylinder, locking the valve solid !!   :(  ( I used a 0.5 mm thick shim. I couldn't find anything thinner ).  Filing the cap lugs down was Plan B.  I've got new seals waiting to be fitted during the engine rebuild.
From your past, ( bitter ?! ), experience Warwick, will 0.2 - 0.3 mm of free-play be enough ??   ???


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Posted: Jan. 28 2009,13:04 QUOTE

I only left about .1mm as I recall, so it'll probably be fine (yes suitable shims are hard to find). I guess the problem is that the PV itself  expands faster than the the cylinder as it's right in the exhaust path - and has no water jacket of course. This is why they are always so noisy at start up I guess.

Let us know how you do with the bit more end float you've left. Probably safest to start it up and check that it doesn't tighten up too much as it warms I'd think? The danger time is probably shortly after start up when the PV will be hot but the cyl' stil relatively cool. TBH though I'd think you'll be fine with the bigger gap. Only one way to find out though. And a minor and short-lived stickage probably won't damage the servo in any case.


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Posted: Jan. 28 2009,22:13 QUOTE

Quote :-  "Let us know how you do with the bit more end-float you've left".

 Will do.  :D   ( It may take a while though. My cranks still at S.E.P., in the "to do" pile, for a start !! )  ???


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Posted: Jan. 29 2009,02:47 QUOTE

there's nowt wrong with a little p/v movement wullie,jangle jangle, rattle rattle as jimmy saville used to say!!  :D (well, that's what mine sound like anyway!!)  :cool:
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Posted: Jan. 29 2009,12:20 QUOTE

If you want a REAL hard on rattle get an SP................. :;):

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