i started a thread on the last two forums only for them to shut down fingers crossed this one stays around long enough for me to finish the bike
this is the bike when i got it
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then the strip down
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found out it's got sp barrels and heads
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back from the powder coaters
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starting to get it back together all new seals and bearings
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calipers paint stripper works great
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all rolling time to build the engine
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time for foot rests
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thats it for a while now >:( :'(i need some time off to get it running
What did you do with the USD forks?
Sold them on eBay the alloy was really bad but the stantions were good
Ah would bought it. ;D
Nice project.
I'm loving all the black, with the powder coated parts and painted chambers and mufflers...should look cool when it's all done.
Yes, very smart...coming along nicely! 8)
thanks for the comments i cant wait to get it done im doing it in kenny roberts colours from the anniversary r1 so all the black will go well with the yellow
ordered a cbr 1000rr rear shock yesterday should be here this week and finished the foot rests off(pics to follow)
Nice progress! ;D Are you painting the stock plastics? Just asking because that cyan color scheme is quite rare, you may consider keeping them stock and getting some pattern plastics?
Quoteordered a cbr 1000rr rear shock
Aha, that will go nicely with your black poudercoated frame ;)
how much would the std plastics be worth?? i have got everything minus the front guard i have thought about getting the aftermarket ones do they fit well enough?
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had some time off last few weeks so done a bit more work remounted the rear shock with spacers
fitted the loom,battery box,new master cylinder,number plate bracket and the throttle cables hope to have the switches and handlebars all done this week
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i have had a change of heart with the colour i was going to paint the genuine farings but it is in the rare green colour so i am going to get the std paint refreshed and re laquered
so will look like this but with black wheels and frame hopefully it will look good
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Looking good :D
The Cyan Green is by far the best colour, good job
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I've been very busy of late so not done very much to the 3ma lately but I have been doing the odd Sunday I have sorted some discs the water pump seal and had some powder coating done so moving on but very slowly pics to follow after another full day on sunday
I've also swapped an old honda rebel I had I knocking around for a 1998 szr 660 with 9000 miles on it so been busy fixing that up will prob advertise it on here when done
this is how far i have got to date i have rebuilt the carbs with new needle valves jets and gaskets fitted the engine side case with a new impellor seal and a new gasket new chain and sprockets and the new front tyre
im very close to running her up just a few more cables and the switch gears re fitted rad and hoses then hopefully i can smoke the workshop
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got a few days off this week so thought it was about time to do some more work on the bike
not touched it since last summer been really busy anyway i have fitted the right size discs now,calipers, oil tank,fuel tank,coolant bottle and loads of powder coated brackets and fixings still unsure on what to do about fairings chinese or repair the cyanide green ones ?:-|
just sent a copy of this photo to the paint shop they have told me they can do this exact job no problem i just need to get the right colour codes for them ???
the black and white are no problem and i will get the code for the anniversary r1 yellow
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I will support the black frame 3MA builders. ;)
Still looking good 8)
May I give you a small suggestion.
If the Oem fairing is repairable, repair it and respray it in the color you like.
Oem fitting is still the best.
I have a Chinese fairing set on my Marlboro bike (perhaps one off the first types)
It is a nice set, but it will never be as tight as a Oem one.
Curves, angular, roundings, on a Oem fairing are great
Cheers
I'm going Chinese this year just because there a quick fix and I will get the std ones re done in the original green but it's gunna cost me £800 to get it done
QuoteOem fitting is still the best.
After one year our chinese has 3 different white collours - so conclution are - we received what we paid for!
I'm very :) :) :) :) been at work since 9am just got home managed to fill bike with oil,coolant and two stroke oil fitted all the new parts I had battery switch gears and clutch lever did a fuel and oil mix in a remote reservoir and boom she fired up sounded sweet will try and add a video later needless to say I'm a very happy chappie
QuoteI'm a very happy chappie
;D
Great you have it running, Now the fun starts ;)
I've got some 3ma 5 and 3ma 1 carbs what will best suit my setup 30 or 32?? I'm running a set I got off fotis from his 3ma1 I'm sure these were 32mm
You have a somewhat rare mixed.
3MA-20 cylinders with heads are designed to give you power.
3MA-5 exhausts witch are designed to smooth out the power
Using a stock airbox with the snorkels (witch is a bid restrictive)
Depending how good the carbs sets are, and how you will be riding it.
Think the 30mm will be easier to setup and easier to ride. (Theoretical smaller carb are easier to handle)
If the times comes and you use performance exhausts you could use the 32mm for max performance in combo with you 3MA-20 cylinders
Just a idea
I'm not sure if there 3ma5 or 3ma4 exhausts there is nothing stamped on them I will have to take one off and measure it I do want to remove the snorkels in the future and go to fixed air jets but for now just want it in one bit so I can ride it before today I had never heard it run it sounds sweet
QuoteI'm not sure if there 3ma5 or 3ma4 exhausts there is nothing stamped on them
It was a guess off mine :), your bike origins seems to be a 3MA5.
So thought that perhaps in the past the 3MA-10 cylinders where broken and a set off 3MA-20 is found/mounted
3MA5 and 3MA3 uses the same exhaust type.
Don't know which Carbs you have mounted, but if they ar OK leaf them on
Go for a ride 8)
Hi Jody;
Agree with Louis the 30mm carbs are easier to setup. With a 3ma you need to keep the same model stuff together for ease of use. If you start mixing and matching it just takes a lot of time and work to get it running properly.
Edd
QuoteSo thought that perhaps in the past the 3MA-10 cylinders where broken and a set off 3MA-20 is found/mounted
Louis - is it not a -20 crankshaft ? ?:-|
Coming along nicely! Can i ask what you did to refinish the bottom yoke? Is that an anodised finish on there Im not sure? its like a shiny almost chrome like surface on mine..
It's a std 3ma1 yoke my usd front end was trash I had to grind off the corrosion to get the forks out then found a yoke set on eBay and some forks from a seller on here as std it's a lacquered alloy finish
QuoteLouis - is it not a -20 crankshaft ?
No, it looks like its a normal 3MA3/5 crank
But you don't need a 3MA-20 crankshaft to use the 3MA-20 cylinders?
They just fit on any 3MA engine
QuoteNo, it looks like its a normal 3MA3/5 crank
hmmm ?:-|
if you say so.. :)
What is the difference between a 3ma3/5 crank and a 3ma4 crank? Are any of the bits interchangeable?
Dan
Very sharp seen, glad that I sad 'looks like'' rather then ''it is''
I'm missing the cut out from a 3MA3/5 crank, so this looks ;) like its a SP crank.
This in combination with the SP cylinders
It could be that it was a SP engine with removed dry clutch
Still its guessing ;D
Hello Dan,
Don't know to say this in correct English.
Belief they called it ''the web''? (is build stronger)
The whole crank is build stronger and stiffer (to prevent bending and/or vibrating)
Don't know what could be interchangeable. (Its a completely different crank)
Bearings seals perhaps
I've never seen a 3ma3/5 crank that's the issue haha. The one in my sp looks like the pictures hugo posted above. Thanks Louis.
Hugo,
The bottom picture was the crank on ebay wasn't it. Were you the lucky winner of it by any chance? I was a day or so away from buying it lol!
Dan
Just keeps getting better lol
QuoteNo, it looks like its a normal 3MA3/5 crank
complete crank can be used in all engines - bearing and oilseal are same.
You are not adviced to use only part of the -4 into the 2 other types...
(apart from conrods)
wonder were the dry clutch transmission cover are - Louis..??
the comparison pichture are from ebay :) and no - we were only looking..
as we are working a different road ;)
ps: rotor are the same in -3-4-5 but not in -1 so you need the complet ignition system if you consider transforming from -1 to the other types.
I need to keep an eye out for some dry clutch bits
Quotewonder were the dry clutch transmission cover are - Louis..??
;D
It could be, who knows. :)
Bought two dry clutch sets trough the years (when they where affordable)
But still looking for one more ;), as the rattling sound belongs to a racer 8)
QuoteI need to keep an eye out for some dry clutch bits
ask Louis He has it... ;D :(
Quoteas the rattling sound belongs to a racer 8)
WAS THAT neccessary ;D ;D
What is the advantage of the sp crank? Is it just strength? Or is it lighter
QuoteWAS THAT neccessary ;D ;D
Sorry ;D
Still working on my dry clutch project using stock parts ;)
Will update my site with pictures to give a better idea about that
QuoteWhat is the advantage of the sp crank? Is it just strength? Or is it lighter
Haven't weight a SP crank. But they seems to be not lighter then a stock one.
But they are definitively build stronger. (Its designed to bent/stretch less)
QuoteBut they are definitively build stronger
and they are bigger in volumen - meaning the free volume in the crankcase will be less - and with less space -
the speed of air/gasoline mix will increase - i think ...
The downside is there aren't many about so if one of the webs has corrosion damage you migjt aswell throw the crank in the bin as the chances of finding a replacement web are slim. I'mkiccking myself for not buying that one that was on ebay :-(
Dan
Quoteand they are bigger in volumen - meaning the free volume in the crankcase will be less - and with less space -
the speed of air/gasoline mix will increase - i think ...
This is discussed on other forums a lot.
From what I have been reading, making the crank case less is worse
It was used on older tuning theory, by thinking the piston is pushing the gases trough the ports.
Now later tuning theory proves that a bigger crank case volume is better.
It is already hard to explain in Dutch, but I'll try it.
In big lines (from what I have been reading) When the exhaust ar coming in there powerband they start to suck the mixture trough the ports, a larger crank case volume is working like a buffer So the Gas stream is more dense.
Some copy off other forums
Quote
The idea is that a large expansion ratio takes away exhaust gas energy that could otherwise be more useful supercharging the cylinder, so the next bang will be bigger, and the bang after that bigger still, and... you'll get the picture.
A low secondary compression/expansion ratio provides for more exhaust gas energy; it also provides for a larger cylinder volume above the exhaust port so the exhaust pipe has an easier time shoving washed-through fresh charge back into the cylinder because the resulting cylinder pressure rise will be smaller.
A indication off crank case volume from a competitive engine;
QuoteThe Aprilia RSA125 has a TDC crankcase volume of 675 cc. That gives a primary compression ratio of 675 / (675 - 125) = 1,23
From memory Lozza and Dan are active on there to.
Perhaps they can explain better.
That first quote is talking about the compression ratio louis not the crankcase compression ratio unfortunately.
From what i have read it seems that a bigger crankcase volume is preferable so there is more mixture available for the exhaust pipe to suck on. Has anyone else read the same thing?
Jody,
Sorry for the thread hijack!
Dan
Yes You are right Dan, Sorry it was late when I tried to find some texts about it ::)
It is discussed on ''Pit lane'' and ''deraceheldenvanwelheer''
I know that you and lozza where reading/active there.
Well you confirmed that you have read it :), lager crank case volume is preferable
The rsa have a big volume.
I wanted to measure the 3MA to, have already made a piston with a hole in it :)
But haven't fount the time to do it jet
Hey Loius,
what Dan has written is also my understanding (still trying to read also the 800 pages on the KIWI forum... :o) from what Frits has written in the pitlane-biz. I measured the volume on my RZ ending with a 480cc CCV and already increased to 510ccm (very less compared to the RSA :() , but testing is still pending.
Juergen
Hello Juergen,
Quotewhat Dan has written is also my understanding
Yes, that is what I have understand from it to.
QuoteWhen the exhaust ar coming in there powerband they start to suck the mixture trough the ports, a larger crank case volume is working like a buffer So the Gas stream is more dense.
Have a somewhat same explanation. :)
It was also something with buffer and pulses, also there was a different between disk inlet of reed inlet
Making the volume extremely big wasn't good either, its bound at rules ::)
Going from 480cc to 510cc did you measure a big difference?
What part of the carb do you measure to find out its size I measured where it pushes into the carb rubbers is this right??? Or do you measure where the atomiser/emulsion tube comes out
I'm seem to be on a roll might recheck the scabby carbs down the shed you never know ;)
QuoteWhat part of the carb do you measure to find out its size I measured where it pushes into the carb rubbers is this righ
Yes, you measure the
inside diameter on the location where you pushes the carb in the rubbers (back end off the carb)
3MA1= 32mm
3MA3/5= 30mm
3Ma4=34mm
QuoteI'm seem to be on a roll might recheck the scabby carbs down the shed you never know
Yes, you definitively need to measure them up ;D, you already have a half SP 8)
There 32mm at reed rubber side and 34mm at the carb slide and also the atomiser has had the holes soldered up and sanded flat they are rusty on all the fittings but I'm going to rebuild these with all the good non rusty bits from my other set
Just emailed gecko motorcycles he has a set for sale his are 32mm inside and 40 outside like mine what bit is 34 I'm confused
Quotewhat bit is 34 I'm confused
The size measured at the end off the carb is the diameter where we all talking about.
(the diameter that counts is the smallest point off the carb)
If you have 30mm then you have carbs from the 3MA3 or 3MA5
If you have 32mm then you have carbs from the 3MA1
If you have 34mm then you have carbs from the 3MA4
Measure them in the middle or frond is not relevant
http://www.geckomotorcycles.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=410
So these are not sp carbs then?? Oh well nevermind
What is the od of 3ma carbs?? Do sp's have bigger inlet rubber id? Mine are 40mm
QuoteSo these are not sp carbs then
No, they should be 34mm for a SP
350 pounds is Extremely pricey
Parts are going double price when terms like SP, SUGO or FIII are used.
Also a small detail is:
500 SP bikes where made (complete bikes for on the road)
But SP parts could just be ordered from Yamaha.
-Carbs
-Dry clutch
-Gearbox
-cylinders
-heads
-etc
This means there are much more SP parts, then there where complete bikes.
So they are not that RARE
Also have heard, that SP bikes could be ordered from Yamaha without frame number if you where racing it in a sugo/formula class.
Can't confirm this, but it don't sound that strange.
So on overall, don't let the 500 number drive you made :)
QuoteWhat is the od of 3ma carbs?? Do sp's have bigger inlet rubber id? Mine are 40mm
Yes, they have. ;D
Part number SP rubbers are also different ;)
thats abit dishonest selling 3ma-1 as sp's
O.D. of the part the goes in the reed rubber of the 34mm SP carbs is 44mm the same as the big carbs on a 3xv.
TZ carbs will fit in 3ma SP reed rubbers 8)
Dan
you made the best decision jody
love the cyan colour
is it a propper sp or a collection of sp parts ?
It's not a full sp it's a 3ma-5 I'm just lucky I guess I only payed £300 for it
I will have it cyanide green but next year when I've got more spare cash and less projects I'm going kenny Roberts yellow black and white after market fairings and buying a spare tank from gecko motorcycles to paint along with the genuine fairings that way I can do a track day and leave the good fairings safe at home
Got her home again on the finishing straight fairing fit better than I thought the only bit that needs abit of work is the centre panel on the seat unit it sits proud
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Hay Jodydid she is looking a lot nicer than the last time i seen her :D
I love the KR look it's really good love it ;) 8)
cheers steve im happy with how its coming along it needs a black screen and the brake lines i got have come up short
tank is being stripped down and sent for paint this week then just need to sort a few little bits for the mot should be done this time next month
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Just need brake lines and a black screen and tank back from the painters then mot time
been a bit slow this year had a run of bad luck severed tendon in thumb 14 weeks to recover :-\and then a bad car crash not my fault though so all my spare time and cash went on fixing the car and had to put two of my dogs to sleep last week i cant wait for 2014 to end
roll on 2015 ;)
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here is the wagon all fixed 300 bhp its as fast as a bandit 600 i know this for a fact ;)
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this is how it stands now new front screen black hel lines all round and seat covers all it needs is the tank fitting and a bracket made up for the front brake res
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im getting there slowly but surely these are the seat covers i had a touch with these the ebay seller only had a pattern for the front seat so i sent her my rear one and got it covered for free same with the rgv had rear but no front seat i payed £70 for all four seat covers and they fitted the two they didnt patterns for to make sure they fitted ok
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they even made me a rear strap with the yellow pinstripe
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the front one loosely fitted with 8 or so staples i wanted it to settle down after it was folded up in the post
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here is the tank just waiting for decals and a clearcote its is the right colour before anyone comments lol he has a blackberry and the camera is shit lol
that's pukka... O0