Hi all, I've not been on the forum for some time - apologies for that...
I'm posting now as I've been contacted by Nic in SA about putting together another group piston buy. I've also got a local race tuner Tony Dukas (TDR Racing) interested in getting in on the buy. As before, these will be the dome top R/RS 3XV pistons.
I've reached out to Wossner for current pricing, and it looks like at 20+ kits we can get them for $150 USD per piston kit. As before, the kit consists of 1 piston, one wrist pin, 2 rings, and 2 piston pin clips. Extra rings can be purchased for $30 USD per piston (2 rings).
We should be at the 20+ kits as of now, and if we get to 50+ we can get anther price break. I'll always buy a few extra sets to sit on the shelf for the folks that don't see the post, or have unfortunate incidents like SteveOG and need a kit or two.
As with the prior purchases, I'll need to get a 50% deposit from the buyers to secure their orders. When I get the pistons, I'll calculate shipping to you (usually USPS - cheapest) and provide you the total owed. Wossner requires I give them 50% deposit to initiate the order.
Please post here if interested. Can also PM me with questions or concerns.
Cheers, Jim
Interested.
2x kits obviously.
Thanks for your efforts with this. (-P)
R pistons are now NLA... A single new piston sold on yahoo for 31000 yen recently, a used piston set with 11000km on it already for 21000yen so pretty crazy and likely to not get any better.. The Wossners are a pretty good deal :)
Id take x2 kits, but maybe stevogs issues should be queried with wossner before we commit en mass?
I seem to remember on the kr1S forum facebook page that their last group buy wossner pistons were out of spec in some way, i looked again but couldnt find the post.
I'll take 2x kits please Jim.
I'm already running Wossner from a previous group buy (UKBlade had my bike then) and despite running while boiling over, despite running on a dyno with a hole in one carb intake, they have stayed intact!
I also agree with Gavin, Wossner should look at Steve's post which surely indicates he had a piston without ring pegs and see what they have to say (or will do for Steve) as a result.
Minimum id say they owe Steve 2 free kits and a replate/ head tidy ......(Plus all the money he had to put in the swear box ,but i bet wossners annual budget couldnt stretch to that!)
Thanks for the support, Gavin and Rich. I have been in touch with Wossner and they have been immediately responsive. Two phone calls and two emails. Different people are reaching out to me and I'm going to send them the faulty piston for their analysis.
Remember, these are great pistons. Rated at the top for motorcycle aftermarket applications. However, because they are custom made, I can imagine individual technicians getting involved in their production. People make mistakes. Only one of the four I purchased had any QC problems. The other pistons took a lot of abuse, too.
So far, no one else has reported any such issue with their Wossners. I'd trust Wossner again and just be more diligent (paranoid) about checking the ring registration pins.
Also, because I only run track days, the switch to the TZ pistons means that I won't have the same maintenance intervals (as often) as a street rider using a single ring piston. Plus, TZ pistons are available in a retail setting whenever needed.
That said, "With the stock "R" piston now being NLA, the Wossner dual ring, domed pistons make a lot of sense, specifically with the price Jim can offer through a group purchase".
Hope this helps everyone understand my situation with a bit more context.
Thanks for all the good will.
Steve
Quote from: bulldogboy on June 22, 2021, 11:46:42 AM
(Plus all the money he had to put in the swear box ,but i bet wossners annual budget couldnt stretch to that!)
Good One, Gavin. Humor is most appreciated.
Did you ever see the movie Apollo 13? The astronauts got to the point where they were all blaming each other for an anomalous failure with the Oxygen tanks. Yelling. Cursing. Super-Pissed. Then they realized that no mater how emotional they became, they were still stuck together with no plan and probably no way home. I always think of that scene when loosing my temper seems the logical thing to do. Of course, I'm often a drama-queen. Finding deeper meaning in randomness. No one is going to die because of this...but, as Phil M. pointed out, it could have been much worse if the ring came loose WOT, leaned all the way over at the top of 4th.
Its all good. The fix is moving forward.
Steve
I have seen it, good analogy, although you would definately be entitled to be "super pissed" after your agro. Admire your commitment to getting the job done (-P)
Hi Jim,
I would like to place an order for 2 wossner piston kits for my 3xv please. Much appreciated.
Forum newbie.
i would take 2 pistons . are the doing just domed or sp pistons also???
hi there , any idea on a rough price for a set to the uk ? ill probably be in for 2x sets (-P)
Hi Jim,
I'd also like to order a set, also to the UK. I will drop you a pm with my number / email.
Quote from: AndyYam on June 29, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
Hi Jim,
I'd also like to order a set, also to the UK. I will drop you a pm with my number / email.
Price per kit is expected to be $150 USD. Shipping I'm not sure of, as I've not shipped to the UK recently. Prior costs were +/- $60 USD depending on insurance, expidited, etc.
Quote from: nitro on June 24, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
i would take 2 pistons . are the doing just domed or sp pistons also???
I've only ever had them make the dome top R/RS pistons. I don't have a SP, or have a SP flat top piston to provide them to duplicate. I'm sure they'd do it, but I don't know the demand for them. I also think there are several versions of SP pistons.
So far this is what I have from the various sources - forum and Facebook. I've not gotten a confirmation from Nic or Tony Dukas yet, just keeping the post current
1 Andy (AndyYam) - 2 kits
2 Greg (Racingr6) - 2 kits
3 Daniel Martin (FB) - 2 kits
4 Sunil Mahbubani (FB) - ? kits
5 Larry Diamond (FB) - ? kits
6 Mike Pinkert (FB) ? kits
7 Gooch (Gooch) - 2 kits
8 Gavin (bulldogboy) - 2 kits
9 Rich (SouthCoastRich) - 2 kits
10 Nitro (Niro) - 2 kits
11 TZRtim - (TZRtim) - 2 kits
12 James Rummage (joelunchbox) - 2 kits - 2 extra rings
Assuming those question marks will be 2 kits each, we are currently at 24 kits and 2 extra rings. If Nic and Tony come through as discussed, we should have a decent order going in.
Will keep everyone posted as things progress.
(-P) cool, anyone off FB? I messaged you on there a while back Jim, nice tarpon by the way!
bump to top.
Is it to late to add one more piston kit. With extra set of rings. Thanks
Quote from: bulldogboy on July 08, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
(-P) cool, anyone off FB? I messaged you on there a while back Jim, nice tarpon by the way!
Yes sir, a couple off FB, they are noted with (FB). Thanks man, if you've never fought a tarpon, I highly recommend it 8)
Quote from: Adriangp84 on July 11, 2021, 01:22:05 PM
Is it to late to add one more piston kit. With extra set of rings. Thanks
Not a problem Adrian, but please confirm your quantities. I PM'ed you
So to update things we are now at:
1 Andy (AndyYam) - 2 kits
2 Greg (Racingr6) - 2 kits
3 Daniel Martin (FB) - 2 kits
4 Sunil Mahbubani (FB) - ? kits
5 Larry Diamond (FB) - ? kits
6 Mike Pinkert (FB) ? kits
7 Gooch (Gooch) - 2 kits
8 Gavin (bulldogboy) - 2 kits
9 Rich (SouthCoastRich) - 2 kits
10 Nitro (Niro) - 2 kits
11 TZRtim - (TZRtim) - 2 kits
12 James Rummage (joelunchbox) - 2 kits - 2 extra ring sets (4 rings)
13 Adrian Curmi (Adrianp84) - 2 kits - 2 extra ring sets (4 rings)
Hi still ok for 2 sets for 91 R model??
Thanks a lot!
hi , do you need money atm or will you let us know ? atb
Hi all, sorry I've not been on here as of late. I have not yet ordered so you latecomers are just fine, I'll add you to my spreadsheet. My guy in South Africa has had his shop looted with some recent unrest in his area, so he had a bit of a setback. Was hoping to get him in on this as the more the merrier. I will reach out to him again to see where he's at. Just to update though:
1 Andy (AndyYam) - 2 kits
2 Greg (Racingr6) - 2 kits
3 Daniel Martin (FB) - 2 kits
4 Sunil Mahbubani (FB) - ? kits
5 Larry Diamond (FB) - ? kits
6 Mike Pinkert (FB) ? kits
7 Gooch (Gooch) - 2 kits
8 Gavin (bulldogboy) - 2 kits
9 Rich (SouthCoastRich) - 2 kits
10 Nitro (Niro) - 2 kits
11 TZRtim - (TZRtim) - 2 kits
12 James (joelunchbox) - 2 kits - 2 extra ring sets (4 rings)
13 Adrian Curmi (Adrianp84) - 2 kits - 2 extra ring sets (4 rings)
14 Allspeed (Gary) - 2 kits
15 2Stroke JP - 2 kits
16 Colins (?) - 2 kits
TZRtim - I will let you know when I am about to order and get 50% deposits from everyone to secure their orders.
Any corrections to the list please let me know. Counting these up we are at least 20 kits (if all actually commit)
If you've not PM'ed directly, please do and include your names and email addresses for contact and for my spreadsheet.
Hey Jim - in addition to the 2x Piston kits I've got on the list, chalk me up for 2 extra ring sets (4 rings) please (-P)
Hi. Count me in on the purchase please, 4 piston kits and 4 ring sets if I'm not too late?. I'm in Guernsey, Channel Islands, UK. Can you give me a rough quote on postage please? Postcode GY68SL. Cheers.
I got you Rich...
Working on putting things together now. Sorry for the delay guys
Quote from: SouthCoastRich on September 25, 2021, 09:28:48 PM
Hey Jim - in addition to the 2x Piston kits I've got on the list, chalk me up for 2 extra ring sets (4 rings) please (-P)
I got your PM Matt, and have you added to the list
Quote from: Mahart2012 on September 28, 2021, 07:36:21 PM
Hi. Count me in on the purchase please, 4 piston kits and 4 ring sets if I'm not too late?. I'm in Guernsey, Channel Islands, UK. Can you give me a rough quote on postage please? Postcode GY68SL. Cheers.
Hi
Can you had 4 kits for me? --> Will be 6 kits total for me.
Thanks.
Got you down for 6 kind sir, and sent you a PM for your info.
Quote from: 2strokeJP on October 09, 2021, 09:57:35 AM
Hi
Can you had 4 kits for me? --> Will be 6 kits total for me.
Thanks.
Below is the latest tally of piston and ring orders. Looks like we are right at 50 kits.
Please review and let me know that I have your oder correct, if there are any changes or additions necesary before I contact Wossner for final pricing. As prviously noted, I'm hoping they will be in the $150 USD per kit range. Prices have increased since our last order in 2019
Note that I have had a few drop off as they sold their bikes or other.
hi , just to clarify on the last post list , TZRtim and tim T.J baker is both me , i had replied to your email , sorry for any confusion .
Ah, thanks for clearing that up... Changes made
Quote from: TZRtim on October 19, 2021, 08:36:56 PM
hi , just to clarify on the last post list , TZRtim and tim T.J baker is both me , i had replied to your email , sorry for any confusion .
Having trouble posting here, wanted to check in with you.
Hi Jim
I ve just found out your post. If there is a left seat for me, I want to list up my name to your list. It would be great if I can secure 2 kit for me. But because I m in Japan, I think I should ask you about delivery and payment.
Any update on the group buy?
My winter project is going to end in summer at that pace! ;D ;D ;D O:-)
Quote from: 2strokeJP on December 28, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
Any update on the group buy?
My winter project is going to end in summer at that pace! ;D ;D ;D O:-)
Echo, would be great to get an update with an ETA.
If we've met the 50 kit price break then I'd like to add 2 extra ring kits to my order please.
Thanks again! (-P) ;D
Jim, sent you a PM re the Wossner kits, not sure if you received it?
Jim is also contactable on the 3xv FB page i believe.
Sorry guys, I've been busy and distracted lately and have not been giving this order any priority - my appologies. New year now!
I think we've gone the distance and have enough buyers to take advantage of the next level costs, I'll confirm with Wossner on what those will be, but any savings is a bonus. I'll update my spreadsheet and post any info I have in another post.
I've asked Wossner about wait times for delivery of pistons once ordered. Once I hear back, I'll share it.
I'll also get a post and/or message those that have requested pistons so I can start collecting their 50% to secure their orders.
Quote from: bulldogboy on January 03, 2022, 04:16:38 PM
Jim is also contactable on the 3xv FB page i believe.
Yes I am - and that is another good way to contact me, however if you are a forum member, it's probably best to use the forum and keep it simpler for me.
Quote from: thump566 on January 02, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
Jim, sent you a PM re the Wossner kits, not sure if you received it?
Yes - and I've responded
Quote from: AndyYam on December 31, 2021, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: 2strokeJP on December 28, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
Any update on the group buy?
My winter project is going to end in summer at that pace! ;D ;D ;D O:-)
Echo, would be great to get an update with an ETA.
If we've met the 50 kit price break then I'd like to add 2 extra ring kits to my order please.
Thanks again! (-P) ;D
I've added two (2) more kits for you in my spreadsheet.
Quote from: 2strokeJP on December 28, 2021, 05:55:36 PM
Any update on the group buy?
My winter project is going to end in summer at that pace! ;D ;D ;D O:-)
Appologies - I'm trying to prioritize this now
Quote from: Noritama819 on December 03, 2021, 10:18:47 AM
Hi Jim
I ve just found out your post. If there is a left seat for me, I want to list up my name to your list. It would be great if I can secure 2 kit for me. But because I m in Japan, I think I should ask you about delivery and payment.
I've added you and your piston kits on my spreadsheet. I don't think shipping costs to Japan will be terrible, they wern't in the past
Great news Jim, thanks for sorting all this out, much appreciated (-P)
Massive Thanks Jim!!
Keep us posted ;D
Let us know when payment is needed.
hi,is it too late to add 2 kits,thanks
Quote from: R-G-V on January 05, 2022, 09:59:20 PM
hi,is it too late to add 2 sets,thanks
No I can add you. I can usually add orders up to the final run by Wossner.
I assume you meant 2 pistons kits, enough to refresh both cylinders? Or by sets did you want four (4) piston kits?
Please clarify and let me know if you want any additional rings (sold individually).
Still waiting on an email reply from Wossner - so still waiting on that and will update when I know something
I've updated my list with the recent posts and PM's (can get confusing with the different ways they come in) so please review and advise if there are any errors.
I've added ring sets for Gavin and two (2) kits for R-G-V.
Quote from: R-G-V on January 05, 2022, 09:59:20 PM
hi,is it too late to add 2 sets,thanks
R-G-V, please explain "sets". I've PM'ed you for clarification on total numkber of "kits" wanted.
Once I know final pricing I'll start requesting 50% deposits. Once all deposits are recived (to confirm your orders) I'll give Wossner the final count and get in the que for production.
If you've not PM'd me your complete contact info (full name, address, email, phone, etc) please do as I will eventually need it to ship you your items. It can also give me an alternative and sometimes easier method of contacting you. Any questions or concerns, please let me know
Jim
Hi Jim, sorry for the confusion I meant 2 extra ring kits only so my order would be:
2 x piston kits (which come with rings)
+
2 x ring kits
Quote from: AndyYam on January 09, 2022, 01:14:47 AM
Hi Jim, sorry for the confusion I meant 2 extra ring kits only so my order would be:
2 x piston kits (which come with rings)
+
2 x ring kits
All in all I want 2 pistons with rings and a spare set of rings for each piston.
Hope that makes sens but shout if not.
Quote from: AndyYam on January 09, 2022, 01:14:47 AM
Hi Jim, sorry for the confusion I meant 2 extra ring kits only so my order would be:
2 x piston kits (which come with rings)
+
2 x ring kits
All in all I want 2 pistons with rings and a spare set of rings for each piston.
Hope that makes sens but shout if not.
Andy,
Rings are sold indivually, so 4 rings is what you need for a "spare set of rings for each piston".
I've changed your order for 2 piston kits and 4 extra rings
Thanks, Jim
Quote from: jcsnook on January 10, 2022, 05:14:44 PM
Quote from: AndyYam on January 09, 2022, 01:14:47 AM
Hi Jim, sorry for the confusion I meant 2 extra ring kits only so my order would be:
2 x piston kits (which come with rings)
+
2 x ring kits
All in all I want 2 pistons with rings and a spare set of rings for each piston.
Hope that makes sens but shout if not.
Andy,
Rings are sold indivually, so 4 rings is what you need for a "spare set of rings for each piston".
I've changed your order for 2 piston kits and 4 extra rings
Thanks, Jim
Fantastic, cheers! I read this one the first page and thought that would considered a kit. "Extra rings can be purchased for $30 USD per piston (2 rings)."
Kurt from Australia has contacted me about adding 10 to 20 piston kits to the order. I'll need to give him a few days to firm things up.
That's pushed us up on volume - so if I haven't already mentioned it, we should be at about $135 USD per piston kit now.
Keep an eye out for any updates and I hope to be asking for your deposits shortly. If you've not sent me all your contact info, please do.
I still need address and/or emails and phoe numbers for a few folks on this forum.
Gooch
SouthCoastRich
Nitro
RacingR6
Allspeed
Mahart2012
Adriangp84
Noritama819
If you've sent it and I've missed it, my appology...
Hi!
i'm interessed for 2 Kits!
i send you my informations in private message ;D
Alright ladies and gentlemen, I've started getting 50% deposits from folks. My preferred method is via PayPal at my email/PayPal address - jcsnook1@gmail.com. I can also accept Zelle or Venmo. If you prefer to use one of those methods, please send me an email and I'll get you the info required. For administrative purposes, I'd prefer to use email for all order communication moving forward. I'll create folders for each buyer to keep tract of things.
If you've not sent me all your contact info, please do that as well as I'll need it to ship you your parts.
When sending deposits via PayPal please send in US dollars (USD) and by friends and family so I don't get hit with the PayPal fees. If you are uncomfortable with that, you can send via regular PayPal, just include an additional 3.5% to cover the fees.
Prices per piston kit is $135 USD
Prices for each piston ring is $15 USD
Attached is what I have for quantities for each buyer, if there are corrections please email me them. Please let me know if you have questions on how much to send.
Email sent thank you for doing this for everyone
Quote from: nitro on February 11, 2022, 03:07:33 AM
Email sent thank you for doing this for everyone
I received it Tom, thank you.
Guy and gals - please read the forum posts, follow the directions and send the 50% deposits for what you ordered. Please don't send me messages via PM or other when I ask you to email everything as this can create an admin nightmare. When sending the deposits MAKE SURE you pay attention and send via FRIENDS AND FAMILY and pay in USD. Besides me getting hit with PayPal fees, our goverment is now taxing us on payments received via any pay app.
I'm fine with emails asking to add, delete or change your order...that is understandable. Changes (additions) can probably be made up till time that Wossner finishes making the run of pistons.
I'm still waiting on a few forum members to send their deposits, as well as Tony Doukas (local racer/mechanic) and the guys in shop owner in SA
Thank you in advance for your cooperation
Jim
Response has been great from the group - thank you. A few I'm still waiting on:
1) Nitro
2) Joelunchbox
3) Allspeed
4) TZRtim
5) R-G-V
Also waiting on the local guys...
I need some clarification on who Balla Contracting is. I received $ from that name and am not sure who it is.
If anyone above sent funds and I missed it, please let me know. Again - EVERYTHING VIA EMAIL please as this is challanging enough without having to check multiple sources.
Thanks, Jim
Still waiting on deposits from:
1) TZRtim
2) R-G-V
Still waiting on a couple local deposits also...
Am I right that Balla Contracting is Nito?.
If anyone above sent funds and I missed it, please let me know. Again - EVERYTHING VIA EMAIL please as this is challanging enough without having to check multiple sources.
Thanks, Jim
sorry for delay , just paid IN FULL ! (-P)
That's me half paid.
Hello I am new here so hi everyone ^-^
I would like to order a pair of pistons & rings for my 3xv1 if it's still open please who do I contact ?
cheers
Hello jj , you'll want 2x kits ( piston , rings , gudgeon pin and 2x circlips ) note thats a kit ! so yeah you need 2x . you could email jim
jcsnook1@gmail.com
or pm him on here .
cheers and welcome . (-P)
sent thanks
Quote from: TZRtim on February 17, 2022, 09:54:07 PM
sorry for delay , just paid IN FULL ! (-P)
Tim - I emailed you about your payment.
Quote from: R-G-V on February 20, 2022, 03:19:42 PM
sent thanks
R-G-V - Paul can you email me about your payment. I don't see one received under your name.
Quote from: JJ on February 19, 2022, 04:18:43 PM
Hello I am new here so hi everyone ^-^
I would like to order a pair of pistons & rings for my 3xv1 if it's still open please who do I contact ?
cheers
JJ - read through the posts and it will show all the costs and direct you on how and where to pay. I need ALL your contact info to keep tract of this large order.
Jim , apologies, I had sent to jscnook not jcsnook , it was awaiting acceptance. I think luckily no one has that email as it would of been free money , jees :o
Who is Shelley Sayers that sent me a deposit?
I've spoken with Ralph @ Wossner today and provided my CC info for deposit billing. I've also emailed the order total to them for both piston kits and rings.
As soon as I get the shop drawing I will post it here, it should only be a few days according to Ralph. I've attached the previous version for review as I expect the new one will be the same. After we approve the shop drawing they will have Germany start making pistons. Barring any major hiccups Wossner says they should be delivering them in approx 12 weeks.
Thanks for your patience and help with all this, it's been a bit of an undertaking. I'm hoping you UK guys can come to the consensus of having me ship all UK bound kits to one address where they can be distributed more economically than me shipping them all separate.
Will keep posting updates here as I get them
Many thanks for the update Jim (-P)
Thanks Jim (-P) :)
Plan is to ship all to one address and pick-up or local post from there. Should be far cheaper. AndyYam says he does much of this for other bike parts.
Today I received the shop drawing for the new piston run.
Please review and advise if there are any concerns ASAP as this needs to be blessed prior to them running the pistons.
Might be a good time to have them add the oiling holes for the wrist pin.
Forgot about that, Steveog had to adf his own didnt he ?
Yes. It was recommended by a Wossner Tech out of California. If you have a good drill press its pretty straight forward. The trick is chamfering the end of the hole resting on the wrist pin. I used 800 grit sandpaper.
Good Luck to all.
Steve
Shouldnt this be brought up with wossner before we set the ball rolling and shell out the cash.
Ive got a set of new wossners for a KR1S rebuild, havnt even looked at them, i will now, but i presume they also will be lacking that wrist pin oil hole?
Wossner has a different strategy for lubing the wrist pin. They groove the walls of the piston at the wrist pin.
I found this to be insufficient after blowing a wrist pin bearing. This does not mean that Wossner has a poor design, but Yamaha pistons DO have lubrication holes in the wrist pin block.
I've used Wossners without the lube holes and all was good. My wrist pin bearing failure was probably due to sub-spec bearings.
I have since used only TZ spec wrist pin bearings. But, now am also running TZ pistons.
There is no logical conclusion to all of this. If the guys ordering new Wossners really want those lube holes, my fear is a long delay in the delivery cycle.
If I were buying new Wossners, I'd get the pistons ASAP and drill out the lube holes myself.
Best of luck to all.
Steve
Your right Steve, get them, then if you want to drill them ,drill them.
Lets not give Jim any headaches in what im sure is a massive ball ache to sort all these orders out! (-P)
Let me ask about oiling holes before we toss in thw towel. I will report back when I know if this will adversly effect anything.
Thanks guys for the input
Please can you ask for any dimensions/specs to mod this for those with earlier batches of these fine pistons.
Here's what I did Jim/Yan. I have one more Wossner modded like this in hand to measure, if you believe it would help.
Please note: The lubrication hole is off-center, so as to deliver oil to the groove that Wossner had already built in to the wrist pin boss. Careful, hand-chamfering is needed inside the wrist pin mounting boss lubrication hole.
I ran with these pistons flat-out at a track day. No failures.
Good Luck
Steve
Perfect, thank you.
Hi guys
I want to ask whether wossner have considered the different expansion rate between oem cast piston and their forged one.
I know some of you guys are already using their piston with no problem, but I want to check it just for information .
I don't know if there's a Wossner headquarters in Japan, Noritama. But, here in the US their customer service people are very good and responsive to questions. They can answer you quicker and with more accuracy than any of us here.
Jim (jsnook) has been very kind and helpful making contacts with Wossner and setting up this group purchase. He very deep into the order process at the moment. He'd have to contact Wossner to get your answer.
From personal experience, I can say that the custom Wossner pistons for the 3xv's take longer to warm up than Yamaha OE pistons. That means a slower expansion rate. The pistons are made to accommodate. The exact rate of expansion would be a question for Wossner.
Good Luck
Steve
Wossner has provided the attached graphic and revised print of the piston with the requested oiling holes. I think this should accomodate the request. Please review and let me know what you think.
Looks good to me. (-P)
From what the other guys have previously added, it does sound beneficial to have (-P)
Thanks, Jim. This mod can only help. The wrist pin block on the Wossner is very hefty and solid.
This additional oil passage is a subtle, but obvious benefit.
Steve.
So are we good with me giving Wossner the "GO" on making pistons? I also sent this to the engine builders that ordered pistons.
I assume this didn't change the per piston price for us...I'll ask though.
This is great news getting holes put in saves me the chances of ball's it up . Good to go. Thanks Jim.
Yes !! anything that improves engine reliability sounds like a real plus to me (-P)
Thanks Jim :D
Yes mate its a go i reckon (-P)
Excellent work Jim. It's a go! (-P)
The shop drawing has been approved and Wossner is making piston. No cost increase for the minor oil hole addition.
Just a matter of time now...will keep all posted.
(-P) great stuff Jim, cheers for the update.
Awesome job!!
Thanks
GAAAAZZZZZ
Onya Jim, great work.
Dan
Great job Jim, looking forward to seeing these made.
Immensley grateful to you Jim for the work that has gone into making this happen. Just caught up after not being on the forums for a bit and was great to read and see the designs.
Quote from: SouthCoastRich on March 02, 2022, 10:57:21 PM
Thanks Jim (-P) :)
Plan is to ship all to one address and pick-up or local post from there. Should be far cheaper. AndyYam says he does much of this for other bike parts.
As Rich says, us SouthCoast chaps have agreed to get all ours shipped to one location in the Uk and distribute from there.
I'm very happy to be that point and can handle the onward shipping of all those kits in the UK.
If each kit is shipped from Germany/USA (unsure if they will go to USA first?) to a UK address it is likely that the courier who deals with the UK delivery (say FedEX or UPS) will send each person a bill for the import duty and handling fee of £8ish.
If one shipment is sent then that handling fee will still only be £8 which divisible by the group becomes much more pleasant.
It's also very likely that the cost to ship a couple of pistons to the UK is fairly similar to a large box of all the pistons, potnetially a big saving there too.
The other big saving is to Jim who will only have to deal with
I'm happy to front the cost of the shipment from Germany to me.
I can then pay the import duty and handling fee and divide this by the number of shipments and give a single price for shipping that will be a sum of:
A share of the shipping from USA/Germany to UK
A share of the import duty
A share of the handling fee
The courier cost from me (Worthing West Sussex) to you in the UK (Fully insured ofcourse). Or a pack of biscuits if you collect from me (to go with the Tea)...
Your a star Andy Yam.
Quote from: Allspeed on April 24, 2022, 12:34:30 AM
Your a star Andy Yam.
So say we all! Thanks Andy (-P)
Yes, nice one Andy, sounds good mate (-P)
Nice one Andy (-P) Will start amassing the biscuits. :))
I appreciate the help with shipping Andy, we will all benefit from that. There may be a buyer that does not want to participate in the bulk shipping, but I'll make contact with everyone when it's time.
We discussed the shipping last time we did a bulk order. Wossner has to ship them all to me, the Wossner dealer, to distribute. So they will all be shipped from Germany to the US, I cannot change that I'm afraid.
I asked Ralph at Wossner if I could add 2 more sets for Phil (Mellorp) and also asked for a status. It was too late to add anymore as it seems they are close to packing them up in Germany to ship to the US.
I'll keep everyone posted on how things progress. I'll have to figure out what to charge those involved in the bulk UK shipment, as there will be one shared expense. If Andy is willng to cover and collect on his side, all I'll need is the remaining 50% owed on the pistons ordered.
We will work it out soon when they get here.
Quote from: jcsnook on April 25, 2022, 10:31:04 PM
I appreciate the help with shipping Andy, we will all benefit from that. There may be a buyer that does not want to participate in the bulk shipping, but I'll make contact with everyone when it's time.
We discussed the shipping last time we did a bulk order. Wossner has to ship them all to me, the Wossner dealer, to distribute. So they will all be shipped from Germany to the US, I cannot change that I'm afraid.
I asked Ralph at Wossner if I could add 2 more sets for Phil (Mellorp) and also asked for a status. It was too late to add anymore as it seems they are close to packing them up in Germany to ship to the US.
I'll keep everyone posted on how things progress. I'll have to figure out what to charge those involved in the bulk UK shipment, as there will be one shared expense. If Andy is willng to cover and collect on his side, all I'll need is the remaining 50% owed on the pistons ordered.
We will work it out soon when they get here.
All sounds great! Exciting to think they are ready to be packed!
Regarinding the shipping I guess if you divide the total shipping cost from Germany to US (plus taxes i guess) between the whole group and then we all pay our share of that on top of the remaining 50% we owe.
For anyone remaming who wishes to get sent their direct then they'll all need individual quotes.
I checked with Wossner again this am for a status. He said he was advised that they left Germany today and should be in the US early next week
Great stuff Jim, thanks for the update (-P)
UPDATE - No pistons yet but they did hit up my crdeit card for a bunch of pistons and rings! :o
Good news - pistons have arrived. I'll be sorting things out and working up balances and shipping costs. It's great that all the UK pistons can ship together. I assume every UK buyer will get in on this? If not you can let me know when I contact you for the balance.
Assume you UK guys will sort out how to pay the shipping amoungst yourselves.
Cheers, Jim
Great news, Thanks Jim (-P)
I'm sure the UK can sort things between us all :)
Thanks Jim (-P)
Yep, Andy is the man for the UK. This'll reduce costs for all of us this side of the pond and I'm all good with that!
Great can't wait to see these . Thanks Jim.
Great, so is everyone in the UK on board with the bulk shipment?
Bulldog (Gavin) - 2 kits 4 rings
SouthCoast Rich (Richard) - 2 kits 4 rings
AndyYam (Andrew) - 2 kits 4 rings
TZRtim (Tim) - 2 kits
Thump566 (Ron) - 2 kits 4 rings
R-G-V (Paul) - 2 kits
Kaimtb24 (Kai) - 2 kits
Mellorp (Phil) - 2 kits
Have I missed anyone? That's 16 kits and 16 rings in the one box. I'd want to insure that for a a good amount I'd assume. USPS has never lost anything on me, but that's a good chunk of change to loose. I just mailed a similar box to SA and it cost $170 USD with $1600 worth of insurance coverage. It weighed a little over 8 US lbs.
Let me know and I'll box things up and get it out.
Best, Jim
Quote from: SouthCoastRich on May 26, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
Thanks Jim (-P)
Yep, Andy is the man for the UK. This'll reduce costs for all of us this side of the pond and I'm all good with that!
Yes, as I'm new to the group buy, I'm OK with that
Yes please, I'm good with that too (-P)
(-P) yes Jim, sounds good, cheers.
Still waiting to know what Kaimtb24 and R-G-V want to do with shipping their pistons. Bulk or seperately
Let me know ASAP please so I can keep things moving.
Thanks, Jim
Anybody know how to get a hold of R-G-V? He is the last holdout on this bulk shipment/
This is great news. I agree that the insurance should be set at what we are paying as a minimum so that if the worst happens then we get our money back.
£120 for a piston kit
£25 for 2 rings
Based on all in one shipment then it would be:
16 piston kits ( 16 x 120 = 1920)
8 sets of rings ( 8 x 25 = 200)
Total value £2120 (Around $2700)
Quote from: AndyYam on June 01, 2022, 09:58:58 AM
This is great news. I agree that the insurance should be set at what we are paying as a minimum so that if the worst happens then we get our money back.
£120 for a piston kit
£25 for 2 rings
Based on all in one shipment then it would be:
16 piston kits ( 16 x 120 = 1920)
8 sets of rings ( 8 x 25 = 200)
Total value £2120 (Around $2700)
Totally agree Andy (-P)
Thanks both :)
Thank you for your work, Jim!
Pistons arrived today and look very, very good.
Hello Jim I was wondering how we could wok out the expedition of my stuff .
Maybe sending it over to the U.K with the rest of the guys and then get it sent over to France by a charitable soul ^-^
Thanks for your time (-P)
Charles,
I sent you an email...
Quote from: JJ on June 08, 2022, 07:07:46 PM
Hello Jim I was wondering how we could wok out the expedition of my stuff .
Maybe sending it over to the U.K with the rest of the guys and then get it sent over to France by a charitable soul ^-^
Thanks for your time (-P)
Andy,
Please check your email...
Jim
Quote from: AndyYam on June 01, 2022, 09:58:58 AM
This is great news. I agree that the insurance should be set at what we are paying as a minimum so that if the worst happens then we get our money back.
£120 for a piston kit
£25 for 2 rings
Based on all in one shipment then it would be:
16 piston kits ( 16 x 120 = 1920)
8 sets of rings ( 8 x 25 = 200)
Total value £2120 (Around $2700)
Apologies Jim, replied and recieved your last email regarding insurance. I think we all need to decide on the next steps.
For the UK group here is the situation(Including Merv from NI whcih now makes it 9 people):
Jim has purchased the USPS option and they have now told him he cannot get any additional insurance so has investigated other options. If we go with another option and risk the insurance then Jim will need to apply for a refund and I think it's only fair that we split that cost IF he is unable. He's put in a lot of work and should not be out of pocket.
Shipping options(from Jim):
USPS - $116.50(Around £95) with a maximum insurance value of $650 USD. I cannot get additional insurance
UPS - $332.79(Around £275) with $3000 worth of insurance
FedEx - 338.96(Around £275) ( with $3000 worth of insurance.
Options listed below and please note these are the cost to get the item to the UK and does not include the internal shipping within the UK (Around £15pp) and VAT/import duties (Around £60-70 pp)
Option 1:
Go with the existing shipping which covers about 1/4 of the cost of the item in the rare case that the items are lost/damaged
Cost: £10.50 pp
Option 2:
Get the full insurance and risk having to share the cost of the currently paid shipping if Jim cannot get back.
Cost: £30.50
Potentially £41 if Jim cannot get the refund.
I'll start off by saying my vote is for the fully insured option. As much as I doubt anything will go wrong I also wear full protective gear but still expect nothing to wrong when I'm out riding. ;D
We need to ge the ball rolling on this so I will put a message on whats app to those who I have contact with and ask that if anyone knows anyone in the list then also drop them a message too.
Jim, I'd suggest investigating the refund asap. Even if we decide to go with that option you can always rebook. Just in case there is a time limit on getting the refund.
Andy
Option 2 is fine with me
Option 2 (-P)
Option 2 (-P) :)
Option 2 fine ^-^
Option 2 please Andy (-P)
option 2
from the usa if you put a low amount i think its £39 or less on the import form as a gift you should not have to pay tax or import duty
I think if you put a low amount thats all youll get in insurance if the package goes missing
That's true, Gavin. But, I've done significant shipping back and forth with the UK. Little or no insurance. Sent as a "gift". All with no problems.
I know you guys have waited a long time for these pistons and if paying the extra fees helps you feel secure, then by all means don't trust some Yank who may or may not have just gotten lucky.
BTW: Wossner USA made good on an agreed settlement by sending me two complete kits for their manufacturing error of almost a year ago. Good on Wossner. These pistons are from the same striking as the one's you're getting.
Good Luck, my friend.
Steve
Good to know Steve, not sure how much this package is worth exactly, but the more expensive the greater the import duties.
I recently ordered a pair of carbon J.L cans ( from europe) for another bike, expensive at over £300, i then got an import fee of £75 from the courier 2 weeks after delivery, bit of a sting. I think the uk group opted to go insured , as any fees will get split quite a few ways.
Glad you got 2 sets of pistons for wossners error, nice result!
The box has about $3000 USD worth of pistons and rings in it. USPS would not insure over $650 USD so FedEx was the next best option but did cost quite a bit more. I understand the risk and think you are doing the right thing, losing 20 pistons would cost much more than the shipping and insurance cost.
Box should go today fellas, Andy and I have been working out particulars with his address for FedEx. Getting down to shipping the last of them. Thanks for your patience guys, I've been busy dealing with my mothers estate since her passing about a month ago.
Jim sorry for your loss.
Thank you Mervyn for the condolences. She had been a troubled woman for the last few years, so it was a bit of blessing when she passed. She was 90 and lived a good long life. I hope she is having a rum and coke with my dad now...
Quote from: Allspeed on June 17, 2022, 12:51:58 PM
Jim sorry for your loss.
An update from my end. FedEx have sent me the bill for the import duties and vat which came to £520.66 which I've paid and will be shared out based on the value of the goods people have ordered.
The postage from US to me was around £275 with the insurance.
A rough esitmate is £88pp (£31 shipping +£57 taxes and duty) but it will vary as some have ordered extra rings etc so the value changes slightly. I'll work it all out and send an email to those who are not meeting in person (South Coast).
I forget if I mentioned it but I'm in Oxford once a week if it helps anyone who wants to get in person. If I'm posting to you and you've not already made contact with me then drop me a message on here so we can sort out the address details etc.
Still waiting on the box to arrive. I think the estimate is the 26th of June.
Many Thanks Andy, Much appreciated (-P)
Nice one Andy (-P)
Hi I'm late on this as I've only just seen the post. If there are any that pull out or any spares I'd buy a pair of pistons and rings or top end kit etc. Cheers
Just email me, there are extras
Quote from: Rik on June 22, 2022, 04:01:43 PM
Hi I'm late on this as I've only just seen the post. If there are any that pull out or any spares I'd buy a pair of pistons and rings or top end kit etc. Cheers
Hi all,
The pistons have arrived safe and sound in Sunny Worthing, UK.
I need to check the numbers with Jim and am just waiting for a reply but it looks like the total postage & duty costs will be as follows:
For those who ordered 2 kits and 4 extra rings £88.64
For those who ordered 2 kits £85.36
Postage onwards from here will be Royal Mail special Delivery which insures up to £500 so is more than enough. The price for that is around £12 iirc but will confirm when I have everyones addresses.
Please drop me a pm on here with your full address and name and I will reply with the payment details once I have confirmed the numbers with Jim.
By my calculations the all up cost per piston kit (piston and 2 rings) was around £140 each and around £20 per ring (To us limeys).
Considering that includes postage with insurance, import duties VAT I think that's pretty damn good, especially when we look back at page 1 of this thread and see that ybk found stock pistons selling for £180 alone, not accounting for shipping, taxes duty etc!
A huge thanks to Jim for all his efforts and condolences for your recent loss.
If anyone has contact details for R-G-V or TZRTim please ask them to check their messages on here as I need them to make payment for the pistons and send their postal address through.
Welcome to my world... ^-^ I'll PM you the info I have Andy...
Quote from: AndyYam on July 06, 2022, 10:10:15 PM
If anyone has contact details for R-G-V or TZRTim please ask them to check their messages on here as I need them to make payment for the pistons and send their postal address through.
By my list all forum members should have been shipped or received their piston kits with the exception of JJ (Charles) who's box should be shipped today or tomorrow.
Thanks all for helping make this happen. (-P) I have a few kits left overs to sell, besides a couple of sets that I'll be keeping for myself.
A local buyer, TDR racing, backed out on his ten which worked out okay, as there are always a few folks late to the party wanting them. I may see what a set brings on eBay >:D
Much appreciated Jim for all your efforts facilitating this Group Purchase on our behalf (-P)
Mine arrived today.
Cheers chaps
Unsticky topic as it's run its course.
Thanks to Jim for his dedication and efforts to make this a reality :D :)
Yes, many thanks Jim, much appreciated from the uk members.
Got my set and they look very nice too! Just posting up a I was a latecomer to this and if anyone was holding off I ordered mine, Jim sent, I got. Easy thanks to Jim.
pistons received and look great many thanks Jim & Andy for all the hard work,much appreciated :) :)
Thank you very much Jim for taking this upon yourself to get these piston kits made and posted out to us forum members. I received the kits for us west australians today. Look great. Cant wait to install when i refresh my engine soon. Cheers and take care.
Greg.
Glad most have received theirs and are happy with them. Thanks to Steve for the addition of the piston pin oiling hole. I have an updated set now 8)
Appreciate your kind words, Jim.
I did get approval to add those holes from Wossner USA in California. I spoke with an engineer, but their customer service has been outstanding, overall.
Hope everyone appreciates your grand effort to use your contacts to get these great pistons at such a reasonable price. Also, I hope our friends in the UK and Europe make it through their incredible heat wave. Those of us in Florida, Texas and Southern Indiana (USA) are somewhat used to "HOT" (and Humid) summers. Many of those guys don't have air conditioning. Damn.
Steve