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Derestricting my TZR 250 3XV RS

Started by SouthCoastRich, September 09, 2021, 11:35:50 AM

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SouthCoastRich

So to come clean, I woke up one morning with bruised ribs and legs and the TZR had broken plastics and a bent front end. Everything was fine the day before, so riding to the MoT was the issue. I'll say more about that when the insurance co has closed it's case.

I'm taking the wheel (bent), yokes & forks (some of these are bent) to Maidstone Motoliner this weekend. As I'm taking all this off I feel it won't be unreasonable to replace the steering head bearings.

This looks like the one with the seal - https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p43734/KOYO-32006JRRS-Narrow-Section-Steering-Head-Set-Taper-Roller-Bearing-30x55x17mm-SEALED-MODEL/product_info.html - so I guess there's no issue getting 2x of these? I don't fancy £60 ea from Yamaha as I'm getting a little bored of these stupid prices for a Yamaha bag (with the same £15 Koyo bearing in it you can get from Simply).
RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

Warwick

#586
Yikes! Better a busted bike than a busted body though of course, Hope all heals fast. If you've hit it hard enough to bend the wheel, forks and yokes though it might be a good idea to get the frame checked over too?
Still Smoking...

SouthCoastRich

Quote from: Warwick on April 26, 2023, 10:14:50 PM
Yikes! Better a busted bike than a busted body though of course, Hope all heals fast. If you've hit it hard enough to bend the wheel, forks and yokes though it might be a good idea to get the frame checked over too?

Yes I think you're right. Just going to take the wheel, forks and yokes to be checked for now. If it's a total loss then I will be on the Ducati this summer and for a while more no doubt.

One frame part that is broken is the lock stop (I think I did this when undoing the top yoke - should have used impact rather than long lever)  :-\

I did have to scratch my head on how to get the front end totally off. Here's what I came up with.  C:-)
RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

Warwick

That set-up should be fine so long as the straps are strong. I just put it up on the Abba stand with a suitable wooden block under the motor to take the front end out myself (don't have the Abba front lifter add-on). That's easiest with at least the the upper cyl pipe off though. Good luck at the straighteners.  (-P)
Still Smoking...

rz500guy

Is there not a place in the frame to put a bar through? And not sure what you were talking about with bruised rib. Sounded like you crashed the scooter. The tab that broke was probably from the crash. Not sure what you needed a lever for on the top yoke. Glad you are just sore. Inquiring minds want to know what happened. Sounds like lost the front and hit a curb. Looks like your videos always show you in full gear. If so what gloves and boots. I always ask since I race and want to know how well safety gear performs.  Heal up and now you have a bigger project.

ybk

Man what a bummer :'( Hope you're OK!

Any pics of the bent bits?

SouthCoastRich

Quote from: rz500guy on April 27, 2023, 04:13:24 PM
Is there not a place in the frame to put a bar through? And not sure what you were talking about with bruised rib. Sounded like you crashed the scooter. The tab that broke was probably from the crash. Not sure what you needed a lever for on the top yoke. Glad you are just sore. Inquiring minds want to know what happened. Sounds like lost the front and hit a curb. Looks like your videos always show you in full gear. If so what gloves and boots. I always ask since I race and want to know how well safety gear performs.  Heal up and now you have a bigger project.

I lost the rear at 3,000 rpm in first gear with a whiff of gentle acceleration on a change of surface from normal to no grip as I was turning out of a side road. Slid out 90 degrees to the road, got kicked out the seat but stayed on, then I was basically a passenger as it slid the other way and gripped again sending me into the oncoming traffic.

RST leathers and alpine stars boots & gloves.

I'm pretty sure I broke that lug off taking the top yoke bolt off as it was on the floor in the garage. Quite probably weakened in the crash though.
RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

SouthCoastRich

Quote from: ybk on April 27, 2023, 10:31:35 PM
Man what a bummer :'( Hope you're OK!

Any pics of the bent bits?

Bruises on the legs and thighs have gone down mostly. Still hurts quite a bit of the right side ribs where I cleaved the tank in my dismount. That's been I week but bruised or cracked there's nothing that can be done so just have to take it easy for a while. I hope to be better before the bike is!

I'll get into the garage and take some pics. Going to need ideas on how to fix that frame lug. Pretty sure it's an MoT failure not to have working lock stops
RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

Steveog

Hi Rich. All my best wishes and prayers for your recovery.

Important tip for F'd up ribs. "DON'T SNEEZE."

I have an idea for your steering stops. Will send pics, tomorrow. All that is required is drill, tap and stainless bolt.

Hope you have good (opiate) pain meds.

Steve
Brief, fleeting Glory. Which of itself cannot last, but while it does is the best game of all.

SouthCoastRich

Quote from: Steveog on April 28, 2023, 01:22:36 AM
Hi Rich. All my best wishes and prayers for your recovery.

Important tip for F'd up ribs. "DON'T SNEEZE."

I have an idea for your steering stops. Will send pics, tomorrow. All that is required is drill, tap and stainless bolt.

Hope you have good (opiate) pain meds.

Steve

Thanks Steve

You're 100% right about the sneezes. I adopt a defensive crunch but still hurts like hell.

Glad to hear you have some ideas  (-P)

I'll post up pics of the damage
RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

SouthCoastRich

Here's the damage (to the bike)

Lug broken off the frame

Forks/yokes bent

Wheel bent and dented

Gear lever broken

RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

rz500guy

That is a serious bummer. I hope you heal up quickly and completely. Keep a pillow for the sneezing or laughing. I have had three incident due to track surface and rear tire grip. Two lowsides and one high side. One of the rear loss was fuel fitting fell out of petcock and filled belly pan. But glad you were wearing good gear or could of been way way worse. I feel naked with out my suit and air bag. Good equipment is literally a life saver. It is the road riding that the gear helps with but cars, curbs, and poles, a different story. I would think a welder can fix the stop. I broke both of my 500 lower triple. Just disconnect the electronics I would think. The wheel is minor and can be straightened. Same happened on the 500. That lower bracket is a bit different. Not sure even if it is straightened and works that it would not be fatigued. The forks are still straight? The Triples you should be able to locate them somewhere on ebay. Keep us updated on you recovery and the bike. I am a month out on my last high side and back in pool and on bicycle. The TZ is back together and going out for engine break in this weekend. I know you are bummed but you will get over it and be back and going soon.


SouthCoastRich

Quote from: rz500guy on April 28, 2023, 04:47:11 PM
That is a serious bummer. I hope you heal up quickly and completely. Keep a pillow for the sneezing or laughing. I have had three incident due to track surface and rear tire grip. Two lowsides and one high side. One of the rear loss was fuel fitting fell out of petcock and filled belly pan. But glad you were wearing good gear or could of been way way worse. I feel naked with out my suit and air bag. Good equipment is literally a life saver. It is the road riding that the gear helps with but cars, curbs, and poles, a different story. I would think a welder can fix the stop. I broke both of my 500 lower triple. Just disconnect the electronics I would think. The wheel is minor and can be straightened. Same happened on the 500. That lower bracket is a bit different. Not sure even if it is straightened and works that it would not be fatigued. The forks are still straight? The Triples you should be able to locate them somewhere on ebay. Keep us updated on you recovery and the bike. I am a month out on my last high side and back in pool and on bicycle. The TZ is back together and going out for engine break in this weekend. I know you are bummed but you will get over it and be back and going soon.

Thanks man. It was the first time I'd ridden with the boots & gloves (got them the weekend before). Luckily there's no damage to them!

I kind of think the forks are straight, but it's too hard to tell as I don't have V blocks or a dial gauge. I'm taking all the bent bits to a specialist tomorrow and they should be able to tell me what's salvageable.

Quote from: Warwick on April 28, 2023, 04:53:02 PM
At least the gear lever is an easy fix. These (or similar) work well (file flat, drill though and loctite it on. Job's a good 'un) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133754733063?hash=item1f24674207:g:TBgAAOSwQX9gloQf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Khr3irZw8NOZOW5WmNoRx%2ByWPX4gj%2BOUcQRWb%2BwL2Dj8xvC%2BKTCPggh6u46Mm81qYqJOBzDy93cG5KooCmhfWIx%2FDhvjJYriDtU%2F9bkrkvaMYlORBVobrozKMCepjSy3EQEKOx9J2i2a7Tm%2B%2FfH8g3z5I3Ajr2udT%2Bck%2B0%2FxOFFIbYEzrFfk6XaW3yhRtl4VIJYzFE3wFdDb7C2KxzqWxqdwTthu%2Fw5jR%2BHRp9H4j0PPdRn422RX29HmVlJmvxD2f%2B4fudxPCTT62VxgzAfWvYGtTV2yFTZxDCN8UhxAxf2%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8qVtIX5YQ

I got some good/suprising news on the gear level - you can still buy them from Yamaha(!!!) and they have over 7,000 in stock(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
£65 from Webbs with the 10% forum discount  :D
RD 350 YPVS F2
TZR 250 3XV8 RS(P)

AndyYam

#599
Quote from: SouthCoastRich on April 28, 2023, 09:45:48 AM
Quote from: Steveog on April 28, 2023, 01:22:36 AM
Hi Rich. All my best wishes and prayers for your recovery.

Important tip for F'd up ribs. "DON'T SNEEZE."

I have an idea for your steering stops. Will send pics, tomorrow. All that is required is drill, tap and stainless bolt.

Hope you have good (opiate) pain meds.

Steve

Thanks Steve

You're 100% right about the sneezes. I adopt a defensive crunch but still hurts like hell.

Glad to hear you have some ideas  (-P)

I'll post up pics of the damage

Pressure on above your upper lip just under the nose can prevent you from sneezing. Sounds mad but I used it alot when I had pulled intercostal muscles. Facing down whilst you do that also helps.

EDIT: Just to add that I've been chatting to Rich on WhatsApp recently so not glossing over the incident in some cold hearted way  ;D