PLEASE HELP WITH ZEELTRONIC IGNITION SET UP

[satarn]

I see several members are using the zeel ignition can some tell me what the "static angle " is for the 3MA 3 , 4 and 5 .
Also what " compensation " they have set .
On the 3MA 3 , 4 and 5 there is a second cdi box behind the fairing , what does this do and do I remove it when I fit the Zeel ignition ?
Finally could I see someone's ignition map that they are happy with who is running pump fuel so I can use these settings to get me up and running . Any help is much appreciated , thank you in advance !

[Edd]

Hi Satarn

I have calculated it to be 64 degrees and running my zeel at 64 degrees so it should be right. The small cdi behind the fairing is for the pv with a zeel you dont need it. I unfortunately am running avgas with big advance. Just take the 3xv 00 map plug it in it should work fine. There is a post on cdi's to Borut that Jurgen a member on here is reading out with all the maps.

Edd

[satarn]

Hi Edd thank you for your help , what compensation are you using on your zeel , is it 30 or have you set it differently .I'm having trouble finding the post you mention any idea where to look.
regards Krish

[satarn]

Got this pdf file off Borut on how to measure Static Angle.

[satarn]

Found this link to a calculator to convert degrees to mm stroke and vice versa
http://www.torqsoft.net/piston-position.html
Saves trying to do the calculation your self

[Edd]

Hi Satarn

Dont understand the question on compensation sorry. Can you post the zeel page that will make it easier. I used that process to calculate the static angle got to 63.2 degrees If memory serves me right.

Thanks

Edd

[Edd]

Hi

I have read Boruts paper he says to big a static angle is not a good idea shouldnt be more than 45 degrees. This concerns me as 63 degrees is way to much according to him. My bike runs like this but I do have problems with hesitation. Dont want to start a which hunt but I am going to remeasure mine just to make sure (the Borut way). Attached my calcs did it diffrently though so may have made a mistake.

Lets see maybe it is 36 degrees and not 63 I posted this before and every one seemed to agree, nobody faulted me so I just went with 63 degrees. I know the 3ma1 is 34 gegrees if memory serves me right.

Edd

[Paul]

That's what I got. Even wrote it on the bike. However you set it with a timing light and that's 64 if I remember correctly. I think it's fair to say, if you're not prepared to set your static with a timing light, don't fit a programable ignition. You are highly likely to cook your motor.

[Edd]

Hi Paul;

Is that a 3ma3 crank in that bike?

Edd

[Edd]

Hi Guys;

Here is the original thread.http://pure2strokespirit.net/forums/index.php?topic=1500.15.

Edd

[Paul]

Hi Paul;

Is that a 3ma3 crank in that bike?

Edd

i thinks its a 3ma1. you rebuilt it edd.
you set the static to whatever it needs to be to match a flat curve (i used 21) programmed in the cdi to the same value marked before TDC on the flywheel. im saying this more for saturn than you edd.

[Edd]

I believe te way I calculated is also accurate, but the way Borut and you explain it I will give it a go and see where I end up.

Edd

[Paul]

I believe te way I calculated is also accurate, but the way Borut and you explain it I will give it a go and see where I end up.

Edd

yes except i think it uses the end of the lobe, whichever is the greatest angle.

the best ways are as above, plus you really need a dyno to finish the job properly
until more people have used pre-programmed units, maybe to the data we are accumulated with jurgens's hard work, it is risky just plug-n-playing the units

[Edd]

I used a dial gauge to measure my angle in mm, what I do know is I used edge of lobe with centre of pick up and not edge of pick up with edge of lobe. So mien is 1-2mm out. Will fix it with strobe light. May be the cause for the bike not behaving but it is highly unlikely.

Edd

[Paul]

That's the best way Edd to measure the advance angle you're going to check with a strobe by using a dial gauge. Else divide the measured circumference of the flywheel by 360 and multiply it by the angle you want and mark it off (in my case 21deg) that's what I do to check. It's good enough especially if you know you're going to the dyno.
Have you measured your head volumes on the 3ma edd? Cokers heads? What are they. He works in ratios but I'd like to hear what you got. The hesitation does it seem less if you roll the throttle slower?