SUGO CDI for Borut... (ignition curves)

[Yuri]

Guys , I'll have my 75 unit available very shortly . My nsr is "ready" for the next race meeting .

I am very keen to see what the curve looks like as I have a ignitech that will be used , if I can't work it out I'll get a zeel .

There goes my resale value of my sugo box 

A zeel cost more than a Sugo CDI

Can't be more than the $500 purchase price plus shipping , agents fees and import fees !

£250 with out shipping if you are not in the EU
http://www.thetuningworks.co.uk/store/product_info.php?products_id=865

[Toop]

€302,48 [IvaInc]
http://www.motoracingshop.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=60&products_id=1864

[maccas]

Buy direct from Borut for about £230 i think?

Dan

[41juergen]

OK, being back from a short holiday trip. So if someone else qould send me a CDI I can test it.
@Warwick: may be after the season? 
cheers
Juergen

[Warwick]

Great data that you are providing Jeurgen . I can send you a -70 in October, though I'd imagine the ignition curve will be pretty similar to the -75. Are you able to read the PV opening curves too? That will differ a bit I expect.

[41juergen]

Sounds good, and yes also PV curves are shown in my excel file....  See the difference between the spool and the blades type.

[Warwick]

Sounds good, and yes also PV curves are shown in my excel file....  See the difference between the spool and the blades type.

Yes, I see it now. Great stuff! Sorry, I've been busy with other things and not following the thread closely so missed the PV data.

[jcsnook]

I'll try and get my spare -70/-80 box in the mail to juergen soon so Warwick does not have to take his bike down.  Sorry I've been busy doing other things as well.

[Yuri]

This is getting more and more interesting 

[Warwick]

I'll try and get my spare -70/-80 box in the mail to juergen soon so Warwick does not have to take his bike down.  Sorry I've been busy doing other things as well.

It'd be great if you could send yours in the meantime Jim. The earliest I'd want mine to be away from the bike would be Late October. I'd think the -70 and -80 are very close in terms of ignition mapping, and probably not that much different to the -9A and -75 really. I'd imagine it's primarily the PV opening that will differ between the 70/80 and the later boxes.  It'd be great to see the full set of maps though of course.

A big pat on the back for Jeurgen  for setting up the 'reader' I say!

[41juergen]

Not a big issue, I have some friends in the company beeing also crazy about technical things like I am, so they helped me a lot to setup the tester.... 
@ Jim: the tester is there, when ever you can make it with the units, it takes only a day or two to get the data out of it.

[jcsnook]

Ok Juergen...I promise to get to it.  I've been busy with my Gamma...

[Edd]

Hi Guys;

What I see in the data when you compare the ignition curves with the pv curves, it is a direct correlation between advance on ignition curve and speed at which the pv opens. As most of the guys know my 3ma has a lean or dead spell if you back of the throttle and get back on the throttle the bike is dead any where above 8500 rpm. I have determined that this is directly linked to my PV curve. Because I am running such an advance curve the pv cannot keep up. My pv setting influences the bike a great deal. It even has an influence on the jetting by that I mean if I run the 3xv00 PV curve in my 3ma it is so rich at 7000 rpm I dont get through it under load but reving the bike it revs through. The type of pv is also important the blade type requires less travel to open a greater distance than the drum type and that might be the reason.

This in my view is why they changed the PV maps so drastically, what you use to get from the PV map you now get from advanced curve and the pv gives you the nice kick in the ass at 9000 rpm.

Edd

[stroker3xv]

Hi 41juergen if you dont have a -80 CDI send me your address and I will post mine to you.

[Yuri]

Hi Guys;

What I see in the data when you compare the ignition curves with the pv curves, it is a direct correlation between advance on ignition curve and speed at which the pv opens. As most of the guys know my 3ma has a lean or dead spell if you back of the throttle and get back on the throttle the bike is dead any where above 8500 rpm. I have determined that this is directly linked to my PV curve. Because I am running such an advance curve the pv cannot keep up. My pv setting influences the bike a great deal. It even has an influence on the jetting by that I mean if I run the 3xv00 PV curve in my 3ma it is so rich at 7000 rpm I dont get through it under load but reving the bike it revs through. The type of pv is also important the blade type requires less travel to open a greater distance than the drum type and that might be the reason.

This in my view is why they changed the PV maps so drastically, what you use to get from the PV map you now get from advanced curve and the pv gives you the nice kick in the ass at 9000 rpm.

Edd

The power valve differences is that the sugo cdis that was tested are not barrel power valves . The restricted boxes are barrel type power valves ...